Is Ryan Tannehill Going to Become a Franchise QB? | Part II

Tanny was on absolute fire in the 4th quarter of the SEA game. There is no denying it

 

Yes. He was awful on that drive and we had to settle for a nearly 50 yard field goal. That was an early game in his career though. I'm much more worried about his later performances.

 

Not sure we're talking about the same jets game...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/gametracker/playbyplay/NFL_20120923_NYJ@MIA

4th QTR:


Miami Dolphins at 13:24
1-10-MIA21 (13:24) L.Miller left guard to MIA 25 for 4 yards (D.Harris; G.McIntyre).
2-6-MIA25 (12:52) L.Miller right tackle to MIA 25 for no gain (M.Devito).
3-6-MIA25 (12:12) (Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass deep left to D.Bess ran ob at MIA 45 for 20 yards [Q.Coples].
1-10-MIA45
(12:02) R.Tannehill pass incomplete deep right to B.Hartline. NYJ-A.Cromartie was injured during the play. His return is Probable. PENALTY on NYJ-A.Cromartie, Defensive Pass Interference, 24 yards, enforced at MIA 45 - No Play. Penalty on NYJ-M.Dixon, Defensive Offside, declined.
1-10-NYJ31
(11:52) PENALTY on MIA-J.Jerry, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at NYJ 31 - No Play.
1-15-NYJ36
(11:51) (Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass incomplete deep right to B.Hartline. PENALTY on MIA-B.Hartline, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at NYJ 36 - No Play.
1-25-NYJ46 (11:44) (Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass incomplete short right to A.Armstrong.
2-25-NYJ46 (11:40) (Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass incomplete deep left to A.Armstrong.
3-25-NYJ46 (11:34) (Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short middle to D.Bess to NYJ 29 for 17 yards (E.Lankster).
4-8-NYJ29 (10:48) (Field Goal formation) D.Carpenter 47 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Left, Center-J.Denney, Holder-B.Fields.



Overtime:


Miami Dolphins at 11:22
1-10-MIA10 (11:22) D.Thomas up the middle to MIA 15 for 5 yards (D.Harris).
2-5-MIA15 (10:47) D.Thomas up the middle to MIA 18 for 3 yards (B.Scott).
3-2-MIA18 (10:07) (Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short right to A.Fasano to MIA 24 for 6 yards (Y.Bell).
1-10-MIA24 (9:39) R.Tannehill pass deep right to B.Hartline ran ob at NYJ 35 for 41 yards.
1-10-NYJ35 (9:25) D.Thomas right tackle to NYJ 32 for 3 yards (G.McIntyre).
2-7-NYJ32 (8:49) (Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass incomplete deep left to B.Hartline.
3-7-NYJ32 (8:39) D.Thomas right end to NYJ 30 for 2 yards (M.Wilkerson).
4-5-NYJ30 (8:00) (Field Goal formation) D.Carpenter 48 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Left, Center-J.Denney, Holder-B.Fields.

 

So just because you and whoever else doesn't see a "franchise QB in him", you're going to dog him during his rookie season. As for falling apart without a running game, what are you basing that on? I never saw either Bush or Thomas dominate a single game this year...

 

No one's dogging him. We all have different opinions.

 

Hardly subjective when both QBs have had troubles with batted balls at the LOS. Hardly subjective when both struggle with the deep ball. Yet, both were asked to do different things in different systems. Some pretty similar issues. Red zone inefficiencies....

As a kid, I was upset because Dan Marino and the Dolphins did not win against Buffalo in a '95 playoff game. My father looked at me and said, "It is what it is".
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What would you do for a Klondike bar?

Who knows? But if you were given only five choices, could I surmise the likelihood of you choosing one over the other four choices based on what 99 other people chose? In this "experiment", I certainly could. Yet, until you chose one of the five choices, would I really know? Hell, maybe you don't fancy the taste of Klondike bars.....

I understand that you would like to give some insight on predicting if Tannehill becomes a "franchise QB", and it is a bold effort. And while there could be some suggestion that Tannehill might be on the right side of the numbers, the games will be played and we will find out in time.

 

Tannehill struggles with the deep ball?

 

Did Anthony drop a ball in his hands on that drive?

 

Have to disagree on you. If we had an Adrian Foster or Adrian Peterson or even a Steven Jackson, the passing game, with good receivers, would blossom. I too hope the kid does great. My opinion still remains that he is nothing great but certainly not a bum.

They should work on his play action skills. My views on Shermans playcalling are still the same. He tends to outhink himself when we are inside the 30.

IMO, a good solid running game with a LEGITIMATE running back not named Reggie Bush would improve our passing game enormously, IF, like I said, we had some good A type reciever/receivers.

 

We did not have one running back in the same class as any of them I mentioned, not one. IMO, Bush is not, never was, nor ever will be, a threat running inbetween the tackles. Just him getting close to a 1000 yards was remarkable. If used properly and with a good Running back, Bush would be twice the weapon he is and our QB with good receivers, would be twice as productive.

 

On your premise then we had running backs the equal of Adrian Peterson, Adrian Foster and Steven Jackson ? I think not even close.

 

Dan Marino is a franchise quarterback. That's what a franchise QB is. Ryan Tannehill doesn't belong in the same paragraph let alone the same sentence with Dan. Tannehill isn't even a pimple on Marino's ***.

 

Well that's just stupid.

Marino was more than a franchise QB. He is in discussion for GOAT. That's quite a bit more than franchise.

 

Aaron Rodgers is a franchise QB. Tom Brady is a franchise QB. Peyton and Eli Manning are franchise QB's. Matt Ryan is a franchise QB. Tannehill isn't close to any of those and to put him in the same sentence with those guys is ridiculous.

 

Other than the Broncos and the Colts, what other teams has a once-in-a-generation QB?

 

Patriots.

 

Yeah, stupid rookie not playing like Peyton Manning & Tom Brady. He's a bust. You're smart.

 

Wow, just after his rookie season. A few of my fellow Dolphin fans, know that Ryan Tannehill going to be a bust. Did they use a crstal ball or there psychic powers?

 

Those guys all had one thing in common: they won in college. I'm not saying he's a bust I'm just saying he's not a special player.

 

I'm saying you're a bust.

 

I honestly do not have the time (nor will put in the effort) to provide you with the evidence. You are playing with words, Shou. This has NOTHING to do with predictability or subjectivity, but rather, what his struggles were this year (which most of us here agree). Did you not have the same "subjective argument" in one of your threads determining who is a "franchise QB" (something along the lines of: "We can all agree that Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady [are franchise QBs]")?

Did he, or did he not, have some issues with batted balls at the LOS? Did he, or did he not, have some issues with hitting receivers with the deep ball?

Do those have anything to do with his future and how he will play? Sure. He either fixes those issues, or he doesn't.

You choose to use a theoretical statistical analysis (which might not hold water). I just choose to look at the tape.

Either angle, we are both wondering the same thing: Is he a franchise QB?

 

You keep looking at the numbers, I'll look at the games.

 

He had "issues" with the batted ball his first game only. From then on there was nothing different from any other QB. Prove the "issues" with the deep ball were his and not the WRs. For example, have Dan Marino throw a deep ball and we'll see if my fat *** can catch it. If I can't you have to allow for the possibility there's a receiver problem.

 

I agree that the batted passes are being overblown.

 

I am not saying Tannehill is a bust. I never use that term because these kids, all of them, have more talent then any of us here could ever dream of. They made an NFL roster regardless if they are on the top shelf of successfulness ( if there is such a word) or not. The fact still remains, they, all of them, are NFL players. That in itself is a great success in life.

In regards to shouwright. We may had had success in a few games with our RBs. I agree with that but long term, there currently isn't a RB on this team the likes of the ones I listed. That is success game after game, season after season. Maybe the kid from Miami but certainly not Bush or Thomas. One cannot judge the full effect of success with a great running back over the span of just a few games.

I have posted it before. If we had a RB like Marshawn Lynch and receivers the likes of Hernandez and Grobkowski or pick any great receiver then yes, I would say Tannehill would have been considered successful this season. To consider successful as a decent QB rating for the season vs actual TDs thrown and points scored is fuitless IMO.

 

Again, thats QB percentage wise. Now do the numbers on TDs thrown and wins vs what Tannehill did. Its Grand Canyonesque.

 

We are certainly not in disagreement. But a batted ball is a batted ball. An open wideout missed is an open wideout missed. Just as a TD is a TD, regardless if Tannehill made a great throw or the wideout made a great play. It is still listed as a TD on the stat sheet. Saying someone has a strong arm is subjective, the comment was regarded with relation to other QBs.

My point being, we may not know the exact reasons why a ball was batted, for example, but it is still a batted ball (without supposition).

I value your reasoning, and I wholeheartedly agree with some statistics supporting a player's measure in a given system (in this case, the NFL), but I am clearly just trying to make a point there are some holes in Tannehill's game up to this point in his career, save the semantics between us both. And because those holes might not show up on the stat sheet (save for maybe an incompletion, for example), trying to determine if he will be a productive, franchise-type QB, is almost as moot as it gets. While I do appreciate the stat comparisons, I think your hole might be whether one can actually suppose a particular player will be "franchise" or not based on one season, with statistics, even when comparing a plethora of QBs and their rookie years.

Honestly, that is my only issue with it. You can show stats relative to your argument, but it still gets us no closer to that determination.

 

This argument is ridiculous. What makes him not capable of being a franchise qb? What that he didn't throw 25 Tds in his rookie year?

 

Mediocre accuracy and poor pocket awareness is the reason he's not a franchise QB.

 

Yes or no, does WR skill matter?