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I know section126 has some type of engineering background. He could probably tell us how this could get done, and how long it would take, etc.

 

10 years ago, the bears renovated soldier field for close to 600 million..if these pics are accurate of their intentions were gonna have to gut the stadium, and I can't believe that to be true.

 

There is already a 1¢ per $ 100 bed tax that has raised almost $ 1.2 billion since 2002. About $ 400 million of that went to play for the Marlins Park and another $ 400 million went to pay for the Arsht Performance Arts Center, and I believe another $ 200 million has been spent on renovations of the Miami Beach Convention Center and $ 100 million for the Gleason Theater. That leaves about $ 100 million and the collection is still going on as the tax isn't set to drop until 2016 I believe. Can they raise another $ 200 million between now and when renovations need to start (late this year I believe) to get the 50th Super Bowl (which I believe is a pipe dream - the NFL has wanted a SB in the SF Bay area for years now) in 2015 ?

 

Here's a video from MiamiFirst.com that show many different angles.

http://bcove.me/xmrfz4gx

 

Interesting. That video looks like the exact same configuration as the proposal from a few years back, which is slightly different from the one being proposed today.

 

That Bears renovation was much more comprehensive than it looks like this one is going to be.

 

I think their playing some visual games Stringer, the video looks like the same stadium, with some chunks out in the corners, and some added rows in the front, you see in the video it shows you the extension in the front on purpose.

I'm so confused right now, where is the concrete plan?

400 million will pay for the removal of four sections, the added screens, and the canopy, which is all nice, but it's not what we think it is..it's bells and whistles unless we see a concrete blueprint..

This is bittersweet for me..and for the record, Schmoot is on the right track..if your going to do this, you better think real hard about a Phins/Canes multiplex OB2 and weigh the costs.

That being said, it doesn't look like that vision or dream is attainable at this point, they just don't get it, but, anything that we do moving forward, will be an improvement for all, and I'm grateful for that at least.

Gosh I hope I'm wrong and their literally going to bring the stands closer, not just adding rows..

 

The electorate is the citizenry, yes.

This vote would be a council vote, not a public referendum. So the elected representatives of the electorate would vote on the proposal, as is normal in a representative republic.

Not true. There was a public referendum early in the previous decade on a general downtown Miami revitalization effort. Money for the Marlins was allocated as part of that vote. What the public did not get to vote on was the specific project plan and budget that was followed in the construction of Marlins Park.

 

Yeah I agree, that's why I'm questioning these photos

 

They could always play in FIU stadium while this is getting done, Odds are that the upper level will be done before the JR renovations are done.
And that would increase capacity to about 45,000.

 

Interesting.

 

I don't think they're bringing the stands closer other than adding about 8-10 rows on each side of the lower level.

That and the addition of the canopy might help make the place noisier, although I'm not sure to what degree.

 

I agree, their adding 4 screens in place of four sections of seats, building a Canopy, and painting or replacing the seats..

This is no 12 th man project, and that's disappointing..

 

They'll be added, not moved.

 

Yeah see, lets put it this way, the top row of the building is not going to get closer to the field, so I'm not sure what the thought process here is...am I wrong?

 

I think it's about as good as can be done, though, w/ the existing facility. Moving fans closer, and the canopy will naturally make it louder to the players on the field, so you will get a better effect than you get today for certain. The OB had that, and this will be as close as it has been since.

Unless you are going to start from scratch (they aren't), you're not going to get that Seattle-like feel all the way. This could be real nice though.

As for playing through the construction, Green Bay did this year, though that wasn't any kind of gutting, but the addition of extra seats in the end zone, and a new screen. It would appear they thought this through, and we'll hear more about it when and if it gets approved.

 

It looks like to me the images are a different plan then the video. I think the video is older than the images though. I'm wondering if the only reason for the video at this point is to show more about the canopy than the drawings do.

It also looks like to me in the drawing they are "resloping" the lower bowl and in the video they just added an extension to it. Based on what the twitter feed was talking about, i think they are planning to do more of what we see in the drawings then the video.

 

Hooray for fear mongering!
A move would simply never happen.

 

Clearly us engineering mortals will need more explaining at some point. I imagine they'll provide it when/if it gets approved.

 

Very good.

Leads me to believe nothing is set in stone right now.

Regarding the seats and such... in the past they've talked about changing the slope of the lower deck. If the goal is to improve sight lines while adding seats closer to the field, I think they'll indeed need to elevate.

 

Exactly, why are folks getting so confused, is this them being shady? Or is the public not getting the concept of adding rather than bringing in closer?

 

Don't be so quick to judge. Look at the downward trend in average attendance;

2008 - 65,489 (20th)

2009 - 67,542 (19th)

2010 - 67,744 (16th)

2011 - 60,886 (28th)

2012 - 57,379 (29th)

Source: http://espn.go.com/nfl/attendance/_/year/2012

The stadium alone isn't responsible for the decline, and the stadium renovations alone will not be responsible for stimulating avg. attendance, but the numbers may suggest that Miami may be one of the teams highly considered to move to LA or wherever if it isn't addressed. They will always be in the same conversation as the Jags, Buffalo, etc IMO unless we can get attendance up.

 

in terms of being louder, well from the noise generated from the seats that will be extended from the last row in the lower bowl will be the only addition from the old, so in that sense yes, those rows will produce more noise, but the rest remains the same, and your taking our four sections from the top, so you might wanna take that into account in terms of overall noise factor...The canopy might give it a boost I suppose.

 

Again I will say the voters never voted on the Marlins Park deal. It was done from a hotel tax that was voted on by the public in 2002, way before the Marlins deal. It runs for a certain length of time.

The Commisions can vote on this and never send it to the public. Of course you face the possibility of public wrath if you do that the next election but they can do this without it going before the public.

 

Muck..did he just say they are open to new structures??

I'm really confused..

Please can we somehow blow up his twitter account with our passion to gain the 12 th man project thru reconfiguration..

I mean for us fans, and the team, this is the MOST IMPORTANT ELEMENT IN THIS PROCESS...not the palm trees, not the big screens, not the different color seats, please Mike Dee, get this right..WE STARTED THE MOTHER FU$$ing game of the 12 th man..

I see that the canes were mentioned in the article..THEY WANT THE SAME THING!!!!!

 

I hope this gets done, but after the marlin fiasco i can understand why politicians and the people are weary.

 

Shady was a bad choice of words, I mean are they trying to make us feel the changes are really going to be about energy, because just adding seats to this foundation will not provide that Nasty.