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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by schmolioot, Jan 14, 2013.

  1. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    It's a little confusing because the photographs show something different then the video.
     
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  2. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Is that the official proposal? That basically looks like adding seats at the bottom (not really getting fans any closer) and putting the clear roof over the seats (ala the old Texas Stadium). Don't see how that would be a huge improvement (or cost $400 M!).

    I'd like to see them at least build an entirely renovated sideline on one side, closer in (as was proposed in the original plan some time ago). I suspect they could move the boxes in closer on that side as well. Maybe even add another row of boxes on top - a double deck as many do (which would generate more revenue).

    I do like the roof that still has open air above the field - and a grass field. But, if existing seats are not closer to the field, that won't mean much.
     
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  3. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    How would you move the upper bowl inwards? I dont really see it possible. I of course would love if they could just cut 2 chunks out of the stadium and just slide the sides inwards... that would be awesome:

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    But obviously that isnt possible... and the stadium would loose thousands in its capacity.
     
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  4. Tone_E

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    But, now you have crystal clear HD telecasts, a piss poor economy, and rising ticket, parking, and concession prices making the bar/stay at home and watch the game experience much cheaper options with arguably better enjoyment of the game.

    Times have changed.
     
  5. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    Then you should be happier! They're moving fans closer and creating an echo effect. That's the absolute best they can do without tearing it completely apart. That is not an option
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ok, so lm gonna accept sunlife as our home, at this point, adding some rows at the bottom and a canopy will give us an elevation in noise from the norm..however it will not create the intimacy thats needed to make a tangible impact on the game and players, and That's fine because that's all that can be done for this particular building..at the end of the day, if this is our building, and they think that what their doing will create an incredible atmosphere by painting the seats and adding a canopy, their mistaken, but ANYTHING, is an improvement over what we have.
     
  7. Ozzy

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    It can be structured to move the upper bowl right along with the lower bowl. The luxury suites would have to be redone and they would be the foundation for the front rows of the upper decks. We're talking a boatload of money now....
     
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  8. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    Oh boy.......

    1st lower ticket prices. You will sell more. If your customers are not buying at this price, you lower them. It may make the losing right now more palatable.

    2nd you fire Nat Moore. It was his genius idea to do Florida Gator Day, and that was a DISASTER. It pissed off thousands of your season ticket holders and to this day I know of many that have never been back to the stadium since then. That was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back to them. They already were pissed about the losing, about Ireland and then to add a day to honor a team that granted some of your fans like, it though pissed off thousands of your fans that are also Hurricane fans. Nat Moore was responsible for this, it was his idea because he is a former Gator himself. It didn't work, all it did was bring in thousands of fans for Tebow and to root against the Dolphins. It was not a well thought out promotion. Dee who is not really a South Floridian miscalculated how strongly that would hurt some fans sense of pride and loyalty.

    3rdly bring back someone like DolFan Denny who was an ICON at Miami games in the 1970's and 80's. He really got that stadium, even Sun Life going with his cheers.

    other than those off the top of my head I'd have to think about it longer......

    But I can tell you this, since he has been here, the Dolphins attendance has slid more than any other franchise and the bottom line for the Dolphins has I am sure shrunk and shrunk since he has been here. He has not been good for business IMO. His ignorance on Dolphins tradition and local feel of the community are also lacking. No one who actually had the pulse of South Florida & especially DolFans would have done the Gator Day......period. Nat Moore who proposed it had a specific agenda, but Dee should have shot it down.
     
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  9. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well then, I can only assume its just the bells and whistles stuff, and not really changing the foundation.

    Like OZ says, it's not an option so I'm excited for the changes that will take place.
     
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  10. djphinfan

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    So then Sec got me all excited for nothing..
     
  11. Ozzy

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    You should reserve judgement until you see exactly what the plan is. They've said they're open to different structures. So I would guess they're going to do some homework or have a few different layouts in mind. This is not about having to make the atmosphere is the Seahawks stadium. It's about a few things here. One of them is covering the fans seating. Maybe some people will want to stay in their seats now? The other would be to see how it is when it's full and the team is playing an actual meaningful game......
     
  12. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Perhaps the most newsworthy item is Jake Long is visible on the mockup 2015 scoreboard.

    Confirmation that Ireland's going to pay Long whatever he wants. :shifty:
     
  13. oakelmpine

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    Don't get me wrong, I am not opposed to this.....not at all.

    I'm just saying that this is all window dressing unless you attack the fundamental problem with the team and this is WINNING. You need to win or people will lose interest. The Marlins Park is a great example.....people went early in the season to see the new digs, but then the team tanked, and BADLY, so people shrugged their shoulders and said is it worth it to spend $ 18 or $ 20 a seat to watch a bad baseball team ?
     
  14. Serpico Jones

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    I can't believe that idiot Nat Moore is in the Dolphins front office. Unreal. The guy sounds like a complete embarrassment during the preseason games.
     
  15. FinNasty

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    You would then have to fill in the top of the upper bowl, or you would just end up expanding your capacity in the upper bowl, which they do not want to do...
     
  16. Ozzy

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    It won't be for the people in the Endzones. They cannot move them any closer.
     
  17. Da 'Fins

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    They might lose some seating (plenty of teams make a ton with 65-70k seating capacities). But, I would think they could tear down the seats and build onto the existing structure in some way. Or tear down one side of the upper deck and rebuild a new one, closer in as well as building a lower side line over the existing lower sideline structure.

    Of course, it would cost a great deal. But stadiums are being built for under $1 Billion still so perhaps that is what the $400 M price tag might include. Just speculation at this point, of course.
     
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  18. oakelmpine

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    That'w why so many wanted the old Orange Bowl upgraded......if you ever saw a game there, Dolphins or Hurricanes and the place was packed......SIGH.......well there was never another stadium like it. DJ can tell you more.........
     
  19. djphinfan

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    like Schmoot said, I think those structure comments by Dee were about the plans to raise money?
     
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  20. Fin D

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    Right, but its really like saying if you go out in the rain, you'll get wet.

    Everyone understands winning breeds attendance, so for people to constantly bludgeon us about it, is silly. And I'm not intending to single you out, but we all get it.
     
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  21. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Nope, there sure wasn't Oak..I'm not gonna go there because if these renovations go thru, that dream will die...but I will always believe that the decision to take away, from two football cultures, their intimidating 12 th man advantage, and replace it with the antithesis, is and was a major cause of our descension as football cultures.
     
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  22. Ozzy

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    I was actually trying to help him keep you excited. It's not a bad plan. From the pictures though, it does not look like a ton will be done. BUT we don't know exactly without seeing actual plans of STRUCTURE.
     
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  23. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    No doubt, but I can guarantee that at least 12-15,000 more will show up if they win.
     
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  24. Ozzy

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    And by Dee saying they're open for different structures means, to me, that they will wait to see how much they get and go with whichever plan fits the budget.
     
  25. Fin D

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    It doesn't look like much in the lower bowl, but I bet the cover and the interior (kitchens) stuff is probably pretty big and more complicated.
     
  26. Ozzy

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    All they have to do is take out the seating and cover it with tarp. That is one of the plans they've talked about already to help them with not having blackouts.
     
  27. oakelmpine

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    and that is why he is on those preseason games. He already is employed by the Dolphins. And yes he needs to be fired.
     
  28. oakelmpine

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    I can't agree more DJ and I miss that old gal more each and every season.
     
  29. Ozzy

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    The cover for sure. The interior has been worked on for a long time. Hopefully they leave it alone finally and work on the field. I'm sure you're right though but not sure about the extent of it. If I were them, I'd cut out all kitchens and make to where vendors walking the isles would be the only way to get a hot dog or beer.
     
  30. Fin D

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    Man....because of your post I invented a brilliant idea, got excited, then did a search and realized its been out for awhile already. Now I'm sad.

    I blame you.
     
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  31. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Yes. What they are proposing to do is to pitch the lower bowl steeper, and then add rows to get closer to the field. This will add seats to the lower bowl and give you better sight-lines and get you closer to the field.
     
  32. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Yes, they can.
     
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  33. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    possible with a 300 mil budget.
     
  34. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Because it would be made out of steel, and T061 Alloy, it will just need to be open whenever winds are in excess of 105 mph.

    It would be graded for 147 mph though.

    That is strong. REAL strong.
     
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  35. Section126

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    pitch the lower bowl more, and yes, you got it.
     
  36. Fin D

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    Yeah, he needs to bring lower bowl angle back to the same ending point by the lux boxes like in the top one. That should should make the slope right.
     
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  37. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    I said that.
     
  38. Section126

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    The more I look at this...I come to the thinking that they won't do any major reconstruction of the lower bowl. it;s just too much money.
     
  39. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Well doesnt that sound familiar?
     
  40. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    For the big night games, they have to bring in additional lighting. What the stadium has natively isn't good enough for HD broadcasts.
     

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