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Were Bess & Hartline's Number of TDs an Issue?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by shouright, Jan 19, 2013.

Did Tannehill struggle in any way that wasn't caused by anyone else in the world?

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  1. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    In What Way(s) Did Ryan Tannehill...

    ...struggle this year that was (were) not at all caused by any of his teammates or anyone else in the world?

    Let's discuss the specifics of that here.
     
  2. Patssuck

    Patssuck Well-Known Member

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    No he played great.
     
  3. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Yes. Everything was 100% his fault because he's the worst rookie to ever play the game.

    Hartline's 1 TD is because Tanny blows. Before Tanny, Hartline had 20 TDs a season. Hartline and Jerry Rice are interchangeable, because let's be honest, surrounding talent means nothing.

    And don't even get me started on his reads. Ugh, 5 minutes from snap till you throw the ball is too much. Hartline is known in league circles has being uncoverable. I mean the second the ball is snapped, Hartline is generally 15 yrds downfield and completely open. So tell me why in the hell that POS Tanny needs so much time to read he's open by 15 yrds is proof Tanny is illiterate.

    I mean, how could it be Hartline when he's had more targets this year than any other year!!!!!!! And don't give me that crap about it being his first year as a #1 WR, that makes too much sense to make sense.

    Seriously, to all you Tannehill worshipers, if Naanee sucked and Tanny never threw to him, why'd he throw to Hartline if Hartline sucks? You can't argue that logic.

    Oh and the only evidence I will accept is numerical data that indicates I'm right.
     
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  4. shouright

    shouright Banned

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  5. Patssuck

    Patssuck Well-Known Member

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    Honestly though, he did miss some wide open receivers and his ball placement needs to improve.
     
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  6. Fin D

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    This thread is a strawman. Did you even read your OP?
     
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  7. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    If that's your opinion, it ought to be interesting, then, to see how many times you click on it and post replies. ;)
     
  8. Ohio Fanatic

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    Shou, how many times can you try to get to the same lame point via a different vector? gets old
     
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  9. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    Creative, isn't it. :)

    In all seriousness, this could become a discussion about how Ryan Tannehill performed this year in terms of the topic of thread (i.e., negative things he did that were attributable to no one but him), but we'll see how it evolves. I have a feeling very few people really want to have that discussion.
     
  10. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

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    He would stop doing it if you would ignore his threads.There is no obligation to answer every single thread.If you have nothing positive to contribute I suggest you find another thread.:yes:
     
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  11. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Tannehill wasn't perfect, wasn't even close. But I think I'd donate my years salary if hartline could break a tackle and score a td, or out-jump a cb in the end zone instead of fall down, or **gasp** make a defender miss.

    I know these things sound so foreign but I swear, other teams, their wr do these things.

    I mean it!
     
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  12. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    So how wasn't he?

    Instead of discussing that, with specifics, you go directly to this:

     
  13. Hellion

    Hellion Crash Club Member

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    This is Shouright being like a bored 10 year old kid on the otherside of a fence poking a dog with a stick to watch him bark and snarl, then sits back an laughs..its old, very old regardless of what side of the tannehill deabte you are on. It's bully tatics, and childish..And FinsD for Christ sakes man...stop being the dog in this senerio.
     
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  14. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    Why should the invitation to discuss the specifics of Ryan Tannehill's negative performance that were attributable to no one but him inspire any anger? :headscratch:
     
  15. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Because rookies are allowed to be rookies. Tannehills miscues are exucseable IMO for at least this year. I didn't see many, but for a guy who was catching passes not too long ago, instead of throwing them, I was pretty impressed.

    Now hartline, he ain't no rookie. He's primed now to get a pretty decent pay day too. If this Mofo could break a play open and actually change a game, our offense would have been different. I just...I can't believe the amount of passes he caught and didn't break any of them for a score. It almost seems statistically impossible and yet he did it.
     
  16. Fin D

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    This thread should be in the soapbox forum. It was created to specifically rile feathers. Its clearly passive aggressive in its tone. Its antagonistic.
     
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  17. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    And I agree. But does that mean we can't discuss what they were? :confused1:
     
  18. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    You're right.
     
  19. Ohio Fanatic

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    thank you.

    It's like we have to suffer through the same EXACT threads that were started by Shou during the Chad Henne tenure.
     
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  20. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    Why should it ruffle anyone's feathers to discuss the specifics of Ryan Tannehill's negative performance that were attributable to no one but him? :headscratch:
     
  21. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    Oh, you mean the ones that were ultimately correct? :lol: ;)

    Time to learn something folks! :up:
     
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    Okay, the chart didn't come over exactly as I had hoped, but if you take a second and compare the two lines of stats you will notice that they are pretty similar. The first line of stats obviously a bit better.

    The first line of stats belongs to Matt Ryan during his rookie year... the second is Tanny's. Now I'm not saying Tanny is gonna turn into the type of player Ryan is, but it shows the room for improvement. It also shows all those people who think Tanny is hopeless to give it a year or two.
     
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  23. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    So far we have two replies that pertain to the topic at hand. This one above, and the one by Patssuck early on. Thanks. :up:
     
  24. Hellion

    Hellion Crash Club Member

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    This is an open forum, people have the right to read whatever thread is there, and you are right, if they feel it is not something they wanna read then dont click the thread..BUT look at the title? all it asks is "in what way did Ryan Tannehill..., then you open to "struggle in any way that wasn't caused by anyone else in the world...let not pretend this wasnt him baiting ok? TOS...:yes:
     
  25. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    In all honesty, I was simply covering my bases with that choice of words. If you say "wasn't caused by his receivers," for example, then people might say, "well, no, it was Jeff Ireland, who didn't stock the receiver corps better," and then we talk about Jeff Ireland all day.

    Better just to say "no one in the world" so that the discussion can become very clear and very centered on Ryan Tannehill and no one else. :up:

    Now, is it possible to do that, or are we going to continue at a 98% rate of discussing the possible motivations for the thread rather than the invited topic? :headscratch:
     
  26. MikeHoncho

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    The guy struggled to put together a solid desk with instructions. He also struggled to correctly place teams in their divisions. Not franchise material. I say we draft another QB who will play perfectly as a rookie and ditch this loser.
     
  27. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    So far this thread is a study in human denial. :)
     
  28. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    IMO downfield accuracy....I dont know if it is because they didnt have a reciver fast enough to run under his deep ball....hopefully Miami gets one and we will see....

    I dont think T did bad at all given the crew he had around him...sure he did some questionable things (who doesnt their rookie yr) but he also did some magnificant things as well.....

    For the record Jim Irsay was on Twitter the other day and if you follow him you will know he tells it like it is...he wrote "Colts O is going to have some pep in their step in the fall"

    Gotta mean he is going after one of those WRs, most notably Wallace...can you imagine Luck/Wayne/Wallace/Hilton??
     
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  29. Hellion

    Hellion Crash Club Member

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    :lol: Oh man you make me smile thats fo sho shou. As irritating as it is watching you bang this drum..sometimes you just gotta shake your head and laugh at it too...its like a accident,,you know its gonna be ugly, you know you shouldnt look because it will upset you...but........
     
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  30. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    Well, if we take a step back like that and let the Miami Dolphins perhaps fit into a less serious role in our lives, perhaps we can have a more balanced discussion about this topic as well. :up:
     
  31. Fin D

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    What's the deal with TD & TD% in your chart? The numbers don't make sense as is.

    ****NVM, I was looking at the wrong ones.*****
     
  32. MikeHoncho

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    Just answering the question.
     
  33. Da 'Fins

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    Some people make an idol of Tannehill (or any Dolphin QB).

    Others make an idol of debunking Tannehill as an idol.

    It gets old and tiresome.
     
  34. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    This is horse****.

    At the very least, be intellectually honest. This was a snarky thread, have the fortitude to admit it.
     
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    Or a sign that people aren't taking you seriously anymore. Why not lead off with some of your own examples of what was Tannes fault to get things kick started? Otherwise it seems like more of the same.

    You mentioned sticking on his first read for too long, I didn't see much of that tbh, but I'm sure it happened from time to time.
     
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    In What Way(s) Did Ryan Tannehill...

    Another day, another Shouright thread about Tannehill. Jesus, it is going to be a long offseason around here.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  37. resnor

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    I guess, Shou, my question is why almost all your threads are negative concerning Tannehill? It seems that you just want to be contrary. If the guy shows no improvement next year over this year, then maybe these sort of threads will be proper.

    For what it's worth, EVERY QB makes mistakes that no one else is responsible for...
     
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    Yes I can't stand some people on this forum that bash other people threads and try to make them feel like they are idiots.
    That is the whole point of this forum to discuss different point of views on the team.
     
  39. Fin-Omenal

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    I would like to see the fierce in his eyes, the arrogance to throw ANY throw on the field, and if his receivers mess up?? He scolds them in the huddle. We had a QB like that before who's competitiveness was unmatched. And he wore #13.

    So less dramatically...I'd like to see some anger in Ryan.
     
  40. Fin D

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    What if he plays worse when angry?
     

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