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Potential Trade Targets

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ckparrothead, Jan 22, 2013.

  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Are you sure about that? Isn't Trufant like 100 years old?

    Again this Thurmond talk is unrealistic. This isn't the type of trade that gets executed.
     
  2. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    I think if you're looking for potential trade targets, you should start with teams that have hired new HCs. Generally speaking thats really the best opportunity for finding quality players at good value.
     
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  3. padre31

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    It's my understanding that Blount is out of favor in Tampa, and may be released.
     
  4. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    This is probably not the right thread to run down a FREE AGENT prospect but one that the Dolphins could find them intrigued with is the aforementioned ISRAEL IDONIJE of Chicago.

    I looked at Israel a year ago because he was a free agent a year ago. I immediately planted him on my list of guys that I might like to sign in Miami. The Bears gave him a one year deal.

    Looking at Idonije what I saw in him was just physical potential. He's built really well, built powerfully, and I think he gets after the passer a little better than people think. You can't beat the frame which is 6'5" and 275 lbs but probably isn't even described well by those numbers. His arms are huge and he's explosive. Actually Israel is the guy I keep trying to remember when I'm thinking of a comparison for Zeke Ansah.

    Down side is Israel is like 32 going on 33 years old. But he just arguably had his best season ever. With the age being what it is, this is a guy you're not going to have to pay a lot for, but who could give you more than what you're paying for.

    If the Bears let Israel go it will only be because they want to train on the younger Corey Wootton for the position. And on the other hand if they retain Israel, it could free up Corey Wootton for trade.

    Here's a token video, FWIW:

    [video=youtube;W-JgWnInl4o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-JgWnInl4o[/video]
     
  5. padre31

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    Just saw your new sig pic...nice!

    Hunt for sure, we need a sort of designated pass rusher.

    Hmm, that player Ck liked, plays in SD and had a great yr last yr and poor yr this year, is a FA, he could fill that role as well.
     
  6. ckparrothead

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    That's another potential target. Antwaan Barnes.

    I don't know about him having a "poor" year. He has a -0.2 grade from PFF, which isn't exactly "poor" unless in your book everything that is not "great" is by definition "poor". He rushed the passer 140 times and hassled the quarterback 15 times. Those aren't really "poor" numbers to be honest.

    What you have to like about him is that he rushes the passer from ROLB or RDE. That makes him a good fit as he compliments Cam Wake who rushes exclusively from LDE. Barnes would be a great guy to put on the field with Wake any time you get the offense into an obvious passing situation. You just have to make sure your defensive tackles are responsive and don't open up any lanes for the quarterback to scramble through.
     
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  7. ToddPhin

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    Perhaps a package deal for Tramon, Finley, and Woodson (heavily restructured of course). 3rd rounder plus a handy under the table. <Woodson at $10M has a chance to be cut.>
     
  8. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    exactly, and that's why i mentioned Nnamdi. The Eagles have Chip Kelly. Chip Kelly wants his type of player. Chip Kelly is going to want to pull a Jimmy Johnson and get as many draft picks in the upcoming draft as possible. He knows all about the 2013 draft class.
     
  9. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Israel Idonije is a guy that makes too much sense... like an Antwaan Barnes or a Dashon Goldson that of course it would never happen. Idonije is a really good guy. Strong character.
     
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  10. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    And I imagine you could buy an Israel Idonije AND an Antwaan Barnes for less than you'd pay Randy Starks. Not that I want to lose Randy. I don't. I'd rather keep Randy, move Odrick inside, AND grab some folks like Idonije and Barnes. And draft some people. There's nothing wrong with having a lot of talent.
     
  11. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Of course, the Barnes window has probably passed. Totally going off topic not knowing what you guys are talking about in the draft forum this week (with the Senior Bowl practices on tv0. But what do you think of Alex Okafor CK? The DE from Texas looks fantastic and I'm also hearing rave reviews from multiple sources.
     
  12. padre31

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    He's also a Canadian.

    I agree with Ck, unless they just believe Shelby and Vernon are high high upside players, you really do have to add physical talent that does more than stop the run.
     
  13. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    I think there is one CB we MUST talk to. Aqib Talib.

    You pair him with Sean Smith, and you have a big set of CB's and a very capable group of DB's, with one signing.

    I hope he hits the market at a fair price.

    At WR, I like a double dip of Jennings and draft pick, or Jennings and lower level FA or Trade like Washington.

    This can leave the draft free for targeting Chance Warmack and a pass rush specialist.

    Voila...Playoffs.
     
  14. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I get the feeling Talib will stay in New England.
     
  15. PhinsRDbest

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    Talb will want what Smith's gets if not more.
     
  16. PhinsRDbest

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    Anybody think Manny Lawson or Michael Johbson maybe FA targets?
     
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  17. Anonymous

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    I believe Idonije can play the position Odrick plays on this defense. If so, signing him and Barnes, sliding Odrick inside while retaining Starks would be great.
     
  18. SuperMarksBros.

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    What? Hartline is a 1000 yd receiver and pro-bowl alternate. LIFETIME CONTRACT!
     
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  19. LBsFinest

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    Chris Ivory, he'll be a restricted FA but Saints are stacked at RB with Pierre Thomas, Ingram, and Sproles. Ivory turns 25 in a couple months...we could probably get him for a low draft pick and not even have to give him much money. he's a big back, better and more physical than D. Thomas, and he and Lamar Miller can be a nice 1-2 punch. Jeffy traded for a saints RB before, no reason he can't do it again.

    and Sam Shields is restricted as well, if GB puts any non 1st round tender on him, I'd explore making an offer or just trading for him, he just turned 25 and he is an excellent corner, PFF's 12th best overall and 6th best in coverage, and he'd probably be cheaper than Sean Smith (who I'd still want to resign). bring Shields back to south florida.
     
  20. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    From what I've heard the knock on Nnamdi is that he just doesn't have the passion he used to have. Could be the contract, could be that he's just burned out. He seems to me like a guy that you'd wait to see if he gets cut first.
     
  21. Section126

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    I say, pay it and go as is with the rest of the secondary. Reshad Jones is cheap, and FS become less of a need with Talib.
     
  22. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    Talib's more than enough of a problem child that I suspect his market will be depressed just enough that the Patriots would be willing to re-sign him.
     
  23. VanDolPhan

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    Jones won't be cheap by the time the season starts. He will be one of the very few players Ireland will extend early.
     
  24. Nappy Roots

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    Talib is also not as good as a lot of people are thinking and a lot of the media is trying to portray.
     
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  25. alen1

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    Yes.
     
  26. alen1

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    IMO Blount is not a fit here. He's not a good short yardage back and he's primarily a power scheme runner.
     
  27. padre31

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    Not unless Dansby is moved

    Lawson would take over Misi' SLB role, Misi to MLB.

    Johnson would have no real role for us with Wake at RDE most of the time, we need more of a situational piece.
     
  28. ckparrothead

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    He's been OK...nothing special, and I'm not sure the headaches are worth it.
     
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  29. ckparrothead

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    Wake isn't at RDE most of the time. He's at LDE most of the time.
     
  30. ckparrothead

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    Michael Johnson has developed well since he came out in 2009. PFF had him down for 13 sacks this year and he played on well over 900 snaps.

    I remember heading into the 2008 college season he was BLESTO's #1 overall prospect, which I think many of us recognized was way overdone for him and too much based on physical potential. On the other hand by the time the 2008 season ended he'd fallen way, way, way further in the public's eye than was called for, IMO. I found myself defending his draft stock, because people were arguing that he was worthless and to me he still clearly had talent, just not high 1st round pick talent.

    The big problem with him was stamina. Similar to Bruce Irvin. I didn't really get a sense that there was an underlying attitude issue behind the stamina problems.

    He would make an interesting RDE candidate for this team, as he's big and he's become a nice run defender while being productive in pass rush. Just have to see what the price tag would be.
     
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    They pursued Cliff Avrill before, anybody think they continue to show interest? Or is he too similar to Wake?
     
  32. pocoloco

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    I've suspected two things about this offseason. Dansby is gone and Avril is signed through free agency.

    I can imagine Misi moving to the middle and, god forbid from my point of view, drafting Te'o.
     
  33. ckparrothead

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    Did they? I hadn't heard that.
     
  34. SICK

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    Hey, I got one, Reggie Bush.....lets sign him!
     
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  35. Disgustipate

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    Agreed, but I'm curious how likely they are to be a more pure outside zone team. They strayed at times this year and had some success doing it. Incognito looked pretty good on short pulls, and Pouncey hitting on some longer pulls should probably be something they keep in their back pocket rather than just something they sprung out of desperation because Bush wasn't making good reads otherwise.
     
  36. ckparrothead

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    I could see the Dansby/Misi thing happening. Jeff Ireland may have already been trying to lay the groundwork for it by talking about Misi being able to play inside or outside, which would help him to keep up appearances. That's important because the timeline could be a problem. You would be releasing Dansby early in the off season when you can use the money you save to make more additions to the team. That leaves you a couple of months though where everyone can speculate that you're about to take Manti Te'o because you've just created this gaping hole at middle linebacker. If that's what you really do intend, you'd like to make that not so obvious any way you could...and by suggesting that Koa Misi plays inside, that's one way to try and do that.

    My preference on the other hand would be to sit on Dansby until after you've drafted Te'o. The amount of money you save by cutting Dansby probably approximates the amount you need to sign rookies, so you should be able to get away with spending up to the salary cap in the meantime, figuring you're going to make the Dansby cut and then have enough to get the rookies under contract. This would require you have some valid Plan B's and C's in case the Draft doesn't happen the way you want and you find yourself re-thinking the idea of cutting Dansby. You'd have to have some different methods of creating the necessary room.
     
  37. Disgustipate

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    I've got pretty mixed feelings about Misi playing MLB, or for that matter Burnett's position. I'm not sure if he isn't close to being overtaxed in terms of coverage responsibilities in the position he's in, much less being asked to replace an every-down linebacker. Having to come up with a coverage sub for him has its own issues.
     
  38. Paul 13

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    I hear the Jets want to trade Revis. Probably not realistic for us to be talked about as a possible trade partner but stranger things have happened. What is Revis' trade value is what I want to know? I'm thinking a 2nd and a conditional that can get as high as a 4th.
     
  39. byroan

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    In the division? At least a 1st and more.
     
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  40. schmolioot

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    Two problems for Jets and Revis trade value.

    Torn ACL and contractual immunity from franchise/transition tag if he voids contract after season (which he will).

    Value is less when the guy is both injured and non-franchiseable.

    I'd offer our two 3rd roudners. Would go a 2nd and 3rd if push came to shove.
     

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