Jeff Ireland, Senior Bowl Practice Interview, January 22nd

He had a plan? Chad Johnson? Jabar Gaffney? What a plan!

 

He put himself in that predicament, obviously all you can try to do is make the best of it. But you can't polish a turd. You can 'assume' he thought it was enough. but thats all it is, I don't see any way he was content. lol. That is why he had to try and see if there were any 1s-3s within the group of what he had... because thats what he had. doesn't mean he was content with it.

all interpretation, I guess.

 

No you assume he thinks it was enough. I am taking what he says and saying that's all I see, without adding context. We need 1,2,3's we have 4,5,6's. That means hey we need more. That's it. Even if you put the we need them to step up, it still means nothing about satisfaction. Needing something that means disatisfaction.

 

There are two assumptions here. We know what he said AFTER training camp started. He said so on Hard Knocks.

I'm talking about before.

1 - He knew he didn't have enough, that we only had 4s, 5s, and 6s, but went into training camp anyway. Giving away a #1, without a replacement.
2 - He thought we had enough, if some of these guys step up. Maybe no Ace's, but some 2s, some 3s. Joe Philbin tells him, we don't need an elite WR in this offense.

You have to assume one or the other. Neither are pretty. But #1, reflects a more incompetent GM than #2 does.

 

Well, it sure didn't take long for the Fireland Brigade to move in. So much for a rational conversation.

 

So true. Almost every thread turns into this.

 

#1 MAY reflect that. It MAY also reflect there wasn't a better WR to be had.

I think people are making the assumption that BMarsh was traded for ****s and giggles. Its far more likely Philbin wanted him gone, especially considering the the alleged incident.

 

Although i'm obligated to agree because I sort of started thinking the same thing,

Ironically, If you read from the beginning, there was an Ireland-bashing post, and a stream of people arguing that it was incorrect, so, not entirely the case, this time around.

but certainly not far off

 

I'm not much of an Ireland fan, but there's enough evidence out there that suggests that Ireland did try to upgrade the unit, albeit unsuccessfully. Now whether one gives him credit for trying or no credit for trying and failing, is another matter. But given some of the evidence (Chad Johnson, rumored trade negotiations for Maclin, Washington and possibly others) I doubt he thought what he had was enough.

 

And how many times have you heard a coach talk about taking it one step at a time? You can't get to the playoffs unless you either win your division or a wild card spot and history shows you stand a better change of winning in the playoffs if you win the division. So why is it even an issue that he set the first goal at winning the division?

 

Pretty hard to have a rationale conversation about the man when a very vocal few consider any criticism of the man to be completely irrational.

I love how in 4,000 words Ireland never even came close to accepting any responsibility for the past failures of this team.

How long will the owner and fans of this team continue to believe this snake charmer when he constantly talks about the future? What about the past 4 seasons? What were you doing to build then? Why was this team not poised to win in 2012? Why is Jeff Ireland still admitting there is a huge gap between the division leader 5 years into his tenure as GM?

 

I don't think replacing BM this year was ever in the plans as the FO was treating 2012 as a rebuilding year. I think the plan was to sit RT and stock pile picks and cap space to use to surround him going forward. Garrad got hurt and Ryan beat out Moore in TC so the plan got slightly altered by starting Ryan but the MO was still the same when it came to FAs.

 

It clearly didn't bother him enough to make sure he solved the problem by getting 1s 2s or 3s.

So yeah.

I have friends who are not content that they are fat. Then again, they aren't discontent enough to actually, you know exercise or eat healthier.

Lol.

 

I'd like someone to tell me what WR Ireland could have magically gotten?

And lets be honest, if you spend time drafting a WR for a Parcells blueprint team, you end up with what we have.

 

You guys really need to leave the analogies to the professionals.

 

Beautifully stated.

 

And here I thought this thread was going to be about Ireland scouting during the North/south bowl week. silly me to think that Dolphins fans could have a rational conversation about Ireland.

 

all these draft picks are worthless if we dont have someone who knows how to find talent. Ireland has been the gm of this team for 6 years and in those 6 drafts we could not find a mike wallace, desean jackson, or anyone with explosive playmaking ability. Instead we traded for butterfingers brandon marshall, sorry but i got no faith in this guy, im on the bandwagon that hopefully philbin is having more say than ppl think and now we are finally getting somewhere. I believe tannehill and lamar miller were both from the influence of joe philbin.

 

typical fan. if Ireland does something wrong he is a moron, if he drafts the right player… it was some else that noticed the player and Ireland had to be told to take him.

 

I called THill at 8 last in Dec of 11. It was pretty easy to see it coming IMO…. having said that… you are right Ireland is damned if he does and damned if he doesnt

 

give it time…

 

I agree, yet his ineptitude was why he had what he had.

 

That is an exaggeration. I'm sure several of us here have known who Philbin was for 3-4 years, at least. It's not like he was a complete unknown before it was reported Miami would be interviewing him for the HC job.

 

Ok. Let's try and have a rational discussion on Jeff Ireland. Does it bother any of you who support or defend Ireland that in the entire interview he completely sidesteps responsibility for any of the failures of the past 4 seasons?

You can't learn from your mistakes if you refuse to acknowledge them.

 

Patches O'Houlihan...the greatest Dodgeball coach in history.

 

No, because its an interview with the local media, not anyone that actually matters.

 

What's really sad is playmakers isn't any bigger a need now then it was last offseason, when it was grossly ignored. Ireland's evaluations were wrong...either he mis-evaluated the young WRs he brought to the team (Moore, Roberto Wallace, Gates) thinking that one or two would take the next step, or he mis-evaluated Cunningham and Mathews, thinking that he could find some late round gem to contribute, or he thought Naanee would be a pleasant surprise and put up numbers, or D) all of the above.

to have that group of unproven WRs going into the draft and not address it until the last couple rounds is alone a fireable offense, and I really couldn't see any other GM being that foolish and naive...and we clearly paid for that negligence with a crippled offense.

it's a joke that he still has his job but I might as well hope for the best now, I have no doubt he'll get a playmaker this offseason, I'm just afraid he won't acquire enough.

 

him not stating he hasn't learned anything publicly doesn't mean he hasn't learned anything.

 

Who does matter? Stephen Ross? If he's refusing to acknowledge his mistakes to the local media, I'm betting he's not owning up to them with the guy who signs his paychecks.

 

Part of the failed regime that thought Ernest Wilford was the answer at WR also thought Naanee was the answer this year. History repeats. Ireland hasn't changed.

You know what they call doing the same thing while expecting different results?

 

He could have drafted TY Hilton or Mohamed Sanu or Chris Givens when he drafted Egnew. Most of us thought for sure he'd address WR in the 3rd round. After taking Vernon with the early 3rd, it seemed like a given the later 3rd would be a WR.

 

TY Hilton played at FIU and FIU is in the Sun Belt Conf.

 

His coming out party was when he murdered Louisville on a Friday night.

 

what world do you live in? how many GM's do you see on TV acknowledging all their past mistakes? all that does is increase job insecurity. In the real world, real people can realize their mistakes, (maybe) learn from them, move on and try to improve. The ones that learn - it's called professional development. the ones that don't - don't work in the profession much longer (unless you're Tony Sparano apparently). Why the hell would anyone expect him to fess up to his past mistakes publicly? You don't think these conversations have been had behind closed doors?

Really, the Ireland bashers are clinging to less and less substance all the time. yes, he still has to prove himself this year or I'll jump on the Fireland bandwagon, but he's not being replaced this offseason, so open your friggin eyes.

 

And why didnt this ol so great gm of yours take matt ryan when he had the chance?? Dont blame parcells, ireland had full control in his contract, he had his chance to prove his worth, he made his rep as a bad gm and now he has to live with it.

 

I liked THill as a high school sophmore… that is before you knew who Philbin was…

 

I am neutral on Ireland, I think he has made some really good moves. I also believe he has ****ed the dog more then a few times. Ultimately he is responsible for not getting THill any viable WR's. Then again he is responsible for Jones, Wake, THill, Pouncey to name a few. I dont think Ireland is a good GM but I also dont think he is a bad one either. Long and short of it, there will be no excuses this year. The Fins are either going to get to the playoffs or Ireland is going to get fired.

People that take the he sucks or he is the next best thing stance are you talking out there *** as of right now IMO.

 

Your either a good gm or a bad one, theres no middle ground. He is a bad one, his huge ego gets in the way of making smart football decisions and hes gotten away with it because our owner doesnt care about the product on the field, he only cares about the red carpet nonsense.. Everyone is praising him for all these draft picks he acquired us but guess what, any GM in the nfl could have done that when your trading 1st round talent for 2nd and 3rd round draft picks so until now this dude has done nothing to help this franchise at all and the amount of support he receives from this fanbase is a good assessment on why we are still a losing franchise for decades now. The fanbase has become content with losing, year after year its "give him 1 more year" BS and same old results. When jimmy johnson was around this team had talent on both sides of the ball, not just defense. Remember patrick surtain and sam madison? whatever happen to drafting playmakers at the cornerback positon?

Remember Oronde gasden? when was the last time we acquired talent like that? sorry but hartline/bess/roberto wallace aint winning you no games no matter who is the qb. In the last few drafts u had mike wallace, desean jackson, gronkowski out there, players who put up points and not 1 time has ireland locked any up. He doesnt have that knack for finding real talent, he is a lil obsessed with the jake longs, pounceys, and john jerrys of the world, players who contribute but arent gamebreakers. Joe philbin better step up or this team is doomed.

 

Yeah...well...I didn't want to bring it up before, but Philbin is my 2nd cousin once removed on my mother's side, so I've known him since before you were crapping in your diapers.