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Marcus Wheaton

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by Xeticus, Jan 26, 2013.

  1. Xeticus

    Xeticus Junior Member

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    I strongly feel that the passing game is the Dolphins biggest weakness. We don't have enough talent at WR, TE or CB. If I had my way I'd spend all 5 first round picks at those positions. So reading reviews and news stories and looking at youtube clips I'm really liking Marcus Wheaton.

    He is FAST. And not just straight line speed. He's shifty. The great thing about Davone Bess is that he's very nimble and can kill you underneath with his agility. He's relatively slow though. Wheaton is very fast, nimble like Bess and with good vision. He reminds me a bit of Reggie Bush actually. Depending on which article you read he's anywhere from 5'11 to 6'1. He's not a huge red zone target but is a super deep threat. I like him enough that I would be comfortable picking him at #12. He would immediately make our offensive so much better that he's worth the pick. He would take pressure off of Hartline and Bess and would give Tannehill a great target. Wheaton could be the big play machine we need.

    Here's the problem. Ireland is not going to draft him. Actually I don't think that Ireland will draft any WR or TE in the first 2 rounds. If you look at all the drafts since Ireland has been here he hasn't drafted a TE or WR in the first 2 round once. Based on previous history I expect our first pick to be either a DE, DT or OL guy. He might draft a WR in the second round if a first round talent is available but even then if a good CB prospect is available he'll probably go that route. Ireland seems risk adverse to drafting pass catchers high and our offense shows it. We simply don't have a lot of firepower in the passing game.

    So I'd LOVE for us to take a chance on Cordarelle Patterson or Keenan Allen or Marcus Wheaton. We need talent and this is the draft to get it.
     
  2. Larry Little

    Larry Little Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think if you just look at the roster, you can easily tell Ireland hasn't addressed those positions with early picks. However, with the pressure Ireland is currently under from fans and the glaringly obvious lack of talented receivers, if he doesn't select a WR or TE with one of his first three picks... man, that will be jaw-droppingly, head-shakingly shocking.

    As an aside... I don't know if you've seen it, but, there's an NFL Draft Forum page here on this site... if you haven't seen it yet, check it out. There's lots of great info there from lots of great posters. :up:
     
  3. Xeticus

    Xeticus Junior Member

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    Ack. It's been awhile since I've posted here and I missed the draft forum. I'll repost this there.
     
  4. Xeticus

    Xeticus Junior Member

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    I'm watching the Senior Bowl now and the little that I've seen of Wheaton looks really good. I hope he's there in the second round and more importantly that Ireland will take him if he's there. Honestly I have little faith that he would do so no matter how much value he would add to the team.
     
  5. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Ireland wants playmakers badly. The only thing that will stop us from taking a handful is if the value isn't there at the pick.
     
  6. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Very seldom should there be a place where an offensive skill position player wouldn't be a reasonable value. Perhaps Ireland has his board totally vertical and insists on taking the highest ranked remaining player regardless of position, but seldom will one player stand out as being ranked significantly higher than any other. Miller last year was one. IMO, there was value at WR in the 2nd when Martin was taken, and also at both 3rd rounders. Ireland inexplicitly ignored WR. If he had Egnew as a significantly higher ranked player than Sanu, Hilton and/or Givens, then there is something wrong with his eyes IMO. Vernon made more sense considering the need for pass rusher, but he wasn't a steal in the 3rd, more like reasonable value. If Ireland ignores WR again through the first 5 picks under the pretense of no WR of value at any pick, he should be fired the next day.
    The first 5 picks should include either 2 WRs or one each TE and WR, IMO.
     
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  7. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Marve, I said the "only thing that would prevent us from taking a handful [of playmakers]", with "handful" being the operative word, as opposed to just a couple if that's all the value allows for. I didn't say anything about not taking any playmakers at all.
     
  8. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    How many is a handful? He better take at least two receivers for Tannehill in the first 5 picks, or I just may go down to Davie and stomp his guts out.
     
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  9. rafael

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    The rumor I heard right after the draft was that Egnew was a pick Philbin pushed for. That makes sense in terms of the position, but both then and now, I didn't care for the player.
     
  10. Bpk

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    Holy Crap I hope that is NOT true! It was plain to see on film how horrible.. horrible Egnew was at blocking. Allergic.

    I have trusted Philbin's judgement so far, but this would be a head-scratcher. I mean he was the TIGHT ENDS coach at Iowa for gosh sake. He is also the one who realized Eric Steinbach, a TE, would make a good Guard. If he can't evaluate a tight end's total inability to block anyone then wtf!?

    Or maybe this falls into the category of overconfidence in his ability to coach and develop a TE.
     
  11. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Not sure I believe that rumor to be true. Depends on the source. If you heard it from someone employed in Miami's personnel dept, then I'd be more apt to believe it.
     
  12. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Also, his name is Markus Wheaton, not Marcus.
     
  13. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Why? When the rumor came out was the day the pick was made. There was only optimism about the pick then. People said it made sense b/c Philbin probably prioritized a seam TE for his system rather than the all-around TE that Ireland has favored in the past. When people were still optimistic about the pick, the rumor wasn't questioned. Now that the pick looks poor then the rumor has to be false.
     
  14. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I never heard the rumor on draft day. Why wouldn't anyone want to know the source of said rumor? All it takes for an unfounded rumor to grow legs these days is some blogger on the internet to post that they heard it, when it fact it could just be just their own speculation fueled by unchecked optimism over the pick in general.
     
  15. gandalfin

    gandalfin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I pretty much read every possible bit of news right after the draft and I didn't hear that rumor either. There was a little speculation that Philbin might have wanted an athletic pass receiving TE like Egnew but that was about it.
     
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  16. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    rumors are just that rumors… I have found t hat in life…. 90% of the rumors you hear are BS (scientific study)… In other words, I doubt we will ever know who in the Dolphins management wanted Egnew.
     
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  17. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    The rumor was reported during either the NFL Network telecast or the ESPN radio telecast (I listened to both that day). It was reportedly according to one of the people in the Dolphin warroom. But what would they know?
     
  18. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    So, the people inside Miami's war room, Ireland, Gaine, the scouts, the entire coaching staff, et al, had one person supplying inside info to members of the media while the draft was in progress? This is the premise by which we are giving credence to this rumor?
     
  19. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Have you ever watched a draft? It is fairly common to have trusted journalists in a warroom. Every year a couple of teams do it along with some even allowing cameras. I've heard similar reports regarding other teams as well. The reports are always limited to stuff that has happened and there are probably other limitations as well, but to claim that it doesn't happen is just ignorant.
     

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