If it weren't for his cap #, which is listed as 13+ million guaranteed for 2013 (and 2014), I'd think that Chris Long might be an excellent target. With Rob Ryan now in St. Louis, I suppose there is the chance of them converting to a 3-4, although Fisher might want to keep the status quo. But if they did decide to convert, I can't imagine both Long and Quinn standing up. I'd be inclined to give them a 3-4 NT in Soliai and a high draft pick, and kick Odrick inside full time.
I think we could trade a Second for Jimmy Graham plus another. Graham although he has been a top TE has had a really down year 13 or 15 drops ( depending on the source ) out of 100 targets ( the most drops for a TE in the league). The saints are going to have some serious cap issues and the do not have a Second round draft pick. Graham just had surgery on his wrist so i would use that and his down year to extract push for a third but lets face it you would have to be crazy to take a third for Graham. But a second i could see especially if they attached some a unknown or PS guy. My top three reasonables would be WR Saalim Hakim, He is extremely raw but has 4.3 speed, S Jerico Nelson, he is phyical and athletic just like you want a safety to be, DT Tyrunn Walker, He has a good motor doesnt stop until the whistle blows.
Can't see that happening. There's a lot of other players on that roster they'd let go first, and I don't think they're going to panic into trading Graham just because his year wasn't up to the level of 2011.
Any thoughts on Titus Young? We need playmakers and he could come relatively cheap with his mouth and baggage. Hes stated twice on twitter that he wants out. Hes going to be a reclamation project bit would allow us to focus some money somewhere else....
After what happened to Detroit's receiving corps this year injury-wise, I'd be surprised if they let anyone go this year. If they do pursue trade options b/c Young is a headache then I personally wouldn't want to take on that headache.
I can't see his immaturity fitting in well here, especially if he continued to complain about the # of targets.
Graham is a priority player. Saints would let other players go and/or restructure contracts to keep him.
if Ryan cant scheme with the Rams talented, current personnel then he doesn't deserve to be a DC IMO, so I doubt Long will be going anywhere.
His contract would definitely need redoing but............ Zach Miller (TE)-Seattle Seahawks: Miller has primarily been a blocking tight end with Seattle since signing a five-year, $34 million contract ($17 million in guarantees) in 2011. That type of money is usually reserved for pass catching tight ends. His eight catches for 142 yards against the Atlanta Falcons in the divisional playoff round was his most productive game with the Seahawks. In two seasons with Seattle, Miller has caught 63 passes for 629 yards. His Seattle receiving totals are less than his 2009 season with the Oakland Raiders in which he had 66 receptions and 805 receiving yards. http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Something-is-better-than-nothing.html
Yes he is....you don't see his CFL posts? Also as far as cutting Karlos Dansby I don't think we will see it. He had $22 million guaranteed...but only around half of it in signing bonus/option bonus. So were talking around $4.5 million in signing bonus + whatever guaranteed money is left. I think folks have just been taking his $22 million signing bonus and splitting it by years. But really his signing bonus was $4 million + whatever guaranteed that year and $6.1 million the next. There's roughly upwards of $11 million in guaranteed money that messes with it. So I'm not sure where Armando thinks it's only $4.65 million remaining in dead money for the 2 years left IF there is guaranteed salaries in year 4 and 5.
In the preseason, after watching and rewatching the preseason pass, two players i wrote about wanting from teams that we played in preseason..Ivory and Trindon Holliday.. ' Holliday was cut and we didn't get a sniff, not smart by both front offices, the saints look stupid for not playing ivory until after midseason, where he then preceeded to tear sh&$ up.. I am getting more and more excited about Lamar..his size/speed ratio is pretty unique.
Of course I see them. The interest in of itself toward the CFL does not mean someone is automatically Canadian.
I like Chris Ivory, the only question there is just cost. They can easily tender him 2nd round level and that would kill the discussion before it happens.
I completely agree on Arthur Brown. After my evaluation of him, I think he a top 3 ILB in this draft. Some view him as an OLB but I actually think he is the perfect ILB. I believe he will play around 6-1 235 next year and I know comparisons get thrown around a lot but he reminds me of Ray Lewis. Not in the sense of motivational purposes, but Ray was 6-1 230 coming out of Miami and yet he did a great job of shedding blocks and stuffing the run. I honestly think Brown has that ability. It would be incredible if he was there at the top of the 2nd, I do not think the Dolphins would pass on him.
As far as adding to the team goes.. I really like Paul Kruger as a 4-3 defensive end. Baltimore will have to let him go due to the log jam at OLB with Suggs, Upshaw, McClellan, and young guys like Adrian Hamilton. 6-4 265, 9.5 sacks in the regular season, I think 2.5 in the playoffs thus far. He doesn't even start for the Ravens though.
I don't think the Dolphins would consider Paul Kruger to play the same spot Jared Odrick plays. But I loved Paul coming out, really wanted the Dolphins to draft him one way or another. There are two more Krugers in this Draft, if I'm not mistaken. I'm not sure if any of the others got knifed nearly to death by a latino street gang.
As a run defender as a 4-3 DE, he's not an upgrade. I think his best position is how the Ravens use him, which would not be now the Dolphins would use him, since the schemes are not the same.
I've talked about this before, about how there are signs that the Dolphins may privately be checking out on Jared Odrick. My basis were some statements that suggested that Kevin Coyle doesn't know whether to play him at defensive end or defensive tackle because he doesn't quite fit at either spot. Evidently Armando Salguero is suggesting the same thing now, saying he thinks the Dolphins have Odrick on the trade block because he was drafted to play defensive end in a 3-4 and now that the Dolphins are running a 4-3 he just doesn't fit. Personally, I hope this is true. He stands as an impediment for really building the defensive line the way you'd want if you're Kevin Coyle.
I don't think a lot of that logic behind trading Odrick fits. Odrick is playing the position because they want a player of his type there. The defense is really similar to the Bengals, and he's playing the same role Jonathan Fanene played. The better as a 3-4 End stuff doesn't make any sense either. Almost all 3-4 DEs play the majority of their snaps at Tackle. It's where the majority of their pass rushing production comes from. A whole lot of them including Odrick are former tackles. If they've got skills that make them successful as a 3-4 DE, they're generally but very strongly will correlate to Tackle. It's arguable the defensive front is a little goofed up because Wake is a left side only DE, and Odrick's position is supposed to go on the strong side, but that ignores the likelihood of Starks leaving in free agency and the uncertainty in regards to that.
i hope we can trade for te Finnley and maybe get the cornerback too and draft two cb's and a safety and then draft 2 wrs and then use undrafted rookies to fill the oline but that is a bad notion on my part.
interesting, you think it would be for a player or draft pick?..we're gonna be the youngest team in the league if we get another draft pick.. Wonder what kind of player Coyle prefers at the end position, Michael Johnson?...Dion Jordan maybe at 12.. Maybe they know their gonna resign Randy, and know that he's not great on the edge, try to get 2nd, whatta you think Ck, just speculating of course.
The vikes are looking to trade WR Percy Harvin, the asking price is expected to be at least one 2nd round pick. interested?
I have no idea whether it would be for a pick or a player. I'm pretty sure they will want to add a player via trade this off season which is why I started this thread. But I don't necessarily know if trading Odrick would be more likely to net a pick or a player because Odrick would have to be marketed to specific teams and those teams may not have a player we like. As for what Kevin Coyle would prefer at defensive end, I think Carlos Dunlap would be a good model for that. They played Jared Odrick at end for a reason. Obviously they like his being a big guy and being able to stand up to the run. But I think they recognize that with what they're asking him to do, he's not really that valuable. They can find that kind of player for cheap. They may already have that kind of player in Derrick Shelby. Everything is about value. Trades don't often happen because a player's value to his own team is usually higher than a player's value to other teams, for various reasons. But when the disparity between a player's value to you and value to other teams goes inverted, that's where you have trade situations. The Dolphins do not, and should not, consider Jared Odrick to be all that valuable in the roles in which he's currently playing. Yet there could be teams out there that consider Jared Odrick valuable in their scheme, which may more closely approximate the scheme the Dolphins ran at the time Odrick was drafted.
This is purely speculation on my part but the whole Brandon Marshall saga went so poorly for the Dolphins that I'm not sure I see them trading a 2nd round pick for Percy Harvin. They would essentially be seen as contradicting the philosophy which resulted in trading one of the league's best wide receivers for Michael Egnew and a a mid-3rd. They can't afford to do that. They have to stick to their guns on this one, insisting that they're better off without Brandon Marshall on this team no matter how good a player he is because he's such a nightmare in the locker room. Percy Harvin is a nightmare in the locker room and a nightmare for coaches, and everyone knows it.
Jabaal Sheard. With Cleveland switching to a 3-4, how about trading for this quality young 4-3 pass rusher? Cleveland needs 3-4 OLBs. I say send them Misi and then give that hybrid position to Vernon.
