Interesting pieces on both players: http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2013drogers.php http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2012/aug/24/john-adams-with-darick-rogers-suspended-matters/ Pretty impressive 10.3 100 meters for CP. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737204/darick-rogers As to Rogers, I see your point but I think that he will prove to be fast enough, Justin Blackmon type speed. I like his short area quicks, but yeah he could be a bit better as per deep speed. But- imo that doesn't mean that his deep speed is bad, just not upper echelon. His overall game, however, I think is fantastic.
I think Justin Blackmon was and is a lot faster, personally. It wouldn't shock me to see Rogers run in the 4.6's.
This wide receivers unit is a tough nut to crack. For instance if Markus Wheaton actually has the physicality characteristics which I question at times, he could easily be another DeSean Jackson, and be the best of the bunch. Or he could be kind of a nobody. Cordarrelle Patterson could be GREAT at the next level. Or he could be almost a complete bust (he'll be a good return guy no matter what) because he's unable to read on the run and adjust his routes, and finds that his long speed isn't a huge advantage at the next level. Stedman Bailey and Quinton Patton could be great at the next level. Or they could find that they're outclassed in the speed department and their tricks of subtlety don't work at the next level because they're too small. Keenan Allen could turn out to be the only guy amongst the top receivers that can actually play at the next level. But he could also be just a guy that doesn't make big plays. He could actually find himself being both those things. Terrance Williams could find himself physically dominated at the next level, or he could do just as much damage vertically at the next level as he did in college. Tavon Austin could be the next Percy Harvin. Or he could be the next Julian Edelman.
He's not blazing fast but far from slow imo. We'll see what he runs, I'm thinking 4.50-4.55. I don't see Blackmon as much faster if at all, and Mike Williams of Tampa Bay comes to mind as well. Not burners, but they can sure get the job done.
This is my biggest fear. I don't want a veteran if it keeps us from drafting a dynamic young WR. Greg Jennings is 30 years old and has injury concerns. Sign him if you wish but I'd still love Cordarelle Patterson and a catching TE on top of that. If we don't come out of this offseason with at least 2 talented WR's and a TE then Ireland has really messed up there. He has to stop being scared of spending picks on WR's. If he's really worried the do what happened with Vontae Davis and Sean Smith. Double up on the position. WR in rounds 1 and 2 and hopefully our offense should be set.
Although I have the same feeling about his WR group, I also think that Patterson has an excellent skill set for the NFL and that if he tests well, you can't pass on him at 12. I'm quite confident in Williams and Hopkins though and that if they fall to the 2nd round, they seem sure to be great picks.
I totally agree, I just hope the Ireland has the nuts to make the move. BTW, CK.. that was a really good writeup, thx for taking the time to put it together
Beyond the fact that they both went to Notre Dame this seems like an extremely disingenuous statement to me. Eifert is a great receiver whose in line blocking abilities are in doubt. Fasano is primarily a blocker who adds a little bit to the passing game. I would say for the position their skill sets are as far apart as can be.
Please draft this guy Jeffy...if we do we could be looking back at this class in the near future and saying not only did we end up with the best WR in the draft but maybe even the best offensive player period....I don't think we'll be saying the same for a Keenan Allen or a Bailey or Hopkins.
I agree. Eifert and Ertz are much closer to each other or to a guy like Fleener, than any of them are to Fasano. Maybe in 2-3 years one or all of them may be able to block like Fasano.
FWIW Cordarrelle Patterson just won the All Star Hands Competition. Competition involved Robert Woods, Kenny Vaccaro and Matt Elam. Patterson's actual time was 28.7 seconds but for some reason they gave him a mysterious 1 second penalty. I didn't see him do anything to earn it. He still beat Woods. Vaccaro and Elam were a distance behind Woods. Patterson's hand looked GOOD. One of the more impressive JUGS performances I've seen. This guy isn't the body catcher some think.
If I were to guess, Cordarrelle has more "Wow" plays but Stedman has more TDs and a longer career. But I could be wrong.
Most impressive JUGS performance I've seen was Norwood, former Penn State WR plays on the Browns now I think. Patterson's performance on it nearly as good. Kenny Vaccaro surprisingly good too.
No. Especially not after I just e-defiled her. <the chick above, not Chris's wife. lol> I'm saying when a guy can no longer enjoy a good giraffe motorboat and his form of jugs entertainment comes via football, something's gone terribly awry.
Well, he wore a first round label and when I watched him I didn't think he deserved it. Or, at least, I didn't like him. That's why I never bother talking about him.
He'd have to be there at 2b for me to grow interested..... but there are still other receivers I might prefer. Dammit, I forgot to earmuffs DJ first.
My read on him from the start, even as a freshman, was that he was incredibly advanced for his young age but that he's not incredibly talented. Right from the start though, Marquise Lee made me turn my head and at a time when everyone was stuck on Robert Woods I thought for sure Lee had the better NFL future.
He's saying you'd have the giraffe, sandpaper-tongue your ***. That would hurt and you'd need a donut to sit on. He's a horrible person for saying that. You should fight him.
He's been a bad son. I'll wash his mouth out with soap and send him to bed without his supper. That's after I whip him with a knotted plow line.
Yeah I just wanna know if I can be the giraffe. To clarify...the giraffe in the GIF and not the one licking Mr. Cleans bottom.
The more this year goes on that more I feel like the Dolphins would be justified taking Patterson with the 12th pick. I think the case will become even stronger after the combine, he'll probably blow it up.
If it comes down to Patterson versus Eifert then I don't think that's much of a question at all. You take Patterson. Fortunately or unfortunately depending on how you look at it, the Patterson decision is going to come down to him versus other players like Dee Milliner, Johnthan Banks, Xavier Rhodes, Zeke Ansah, Lane Johnson, Eric Fisher, etc. Lane Johnson I would take above Patterson and never look back. But the other guys...I'd wrestle with that decision. Mostly the decision of Patterson versus the corners.
It's the right call. Not only is Lane Johnson going to be a damn fine protector of the quarterback's blind side over the next decade, he fits perfectly into what this offense wants to do in the ground game. You can't just isolate decisions in a vaccuum. It's not just Lane Johnson over Cordarrelle Patterson and then that's it. It's more like Lane Johnson and Markus Wheaton over Cordarrelle Patterson and Menelik Watson (who would probably play right tackle while Jon Martin plays left). And even that is looking at things simplistically because there's so much more at play between free agency and the other picks in the Draft.
My issue with taking Lane Johnson is you are capitulating to this franchise scrwing up the 2008 pick and now using another 1st rounder four years later to TREAD WATER rather than improve. Honestly, I feel like Ireland has to pay for his talent-evaluation sins and overpay Jake here. When you can't pick enough draft picks that pan out AND Free Agents who play above their contract, then you will have problems with getting more talent onto a roster than you lose yearly... which is our problem. As such, this mofo needs to overpay Jake just so we can fill another hole and actually PROGRESS. Which will begin to create a salary cap issue two to three years hence.. but it's the only way to improve with Ireland at the helm, it seems. I mean, if we lost Sean Smith, Anthony Fasano, Randy Starks, Jake Long and Brian Hartline we immediately need to use the five picks in the top three rounds just attempting to replace them.. and that would assume all five picks hit. That never happens. So assume we need at least three free agents as well, since two will be misses (based on Ireland's record). That's almost all of the offseason resources just to tread water. Unless we assume the replacement players are bvetter suited to the system, and/or more talented and motivated. Oh, I forgot Bush.. becuas eI think Miller can somewhat replace Bush, though not mentally. Bush is a smarter player by far.
And is that for sure the smart move? Pay Mike Wallace $10 million a year, and then buy "another WR in FA" on top of that? The only big free agent wide receiver that I'm OK with is Greg Jennings and that's just because I know he comes cheaper, I know he's a more well-rounded guy, and I know he's got a proven record in Philbin's system. Otherwise I look at the free agent receivers that have changed hands over the last 5 years and I get even more scared of signing guys than I do drafting them: Wastes of Time & Resources 2008: Sam Aiken from Buffalo to New England 2008: Bernard Berrian from Chicago to Minnesota 2008: Marty Booker from Miami to Chicago 2008: Bryant Johnson from Arizona to San Francisco 2008: Eddie Kennison from Kansas City to St. Louis 2008: Ashley Lelie from San Francisco to Oakland 2008: Brandon Lloyd from Washington to Chicago 2008: Justin McCareins from New York Jets to Tennessee 2008: Jerry Porter from Oakland to Jacksonville 2008: Koren Robinson from Green Bay to Seattle 2008: Donte Stallworth from New England to Cleveland 2008: Javon Walker from Denver to Oakland 2009: Hank Baskett from Philadelphia to Indianapolis 2009: Laveranues Coles from New York Jets to Cincinnati 2009: Mike Furrey from Detroit to Cleveland 2009: Joey Galloway from Tampa Bay to Pittsburgh 2009: Torry Holt from St. Louis to Jacksonville 2009: T.J. Houshmandzadeh from Cincinnati to Seattle 2009: Bryant Johnson from San Francisco to Detroit 2009: Terrell Owens from Dallas to Buffalo 2009: Kelley Washington from New England to Baltimore 2009: Roydell Williams from Tennessee to Washington 2010: Arnaz Battle from San Francisco to Pittsburgh 2010: Antonio Bryant from Tampa Bay to Cincinnati 2010: Nate Burleson from Seattle to Detroit 2010: Mike Furrey from Cleveland to Washington 2010: Joey Galloway from Pittsburgh to Washington 2010: Jason Hill from San Francisco to Jacksonville 2010: T.J. Houshmandzadeh from Seattle to Baltimore 2010: Matt Jones from Jacksonville to Cincinnati 2010: Randy Moss from Minnesota to Tennessee 2010: Antwaan Randle El from Washington to Pittsburgh 2010: Josh Reed from Buffalo to San Diego 2010: Devin Thomas from Carolina to New York Giants 2010: Jerheme Urban from Arizona to Kansas City 2010: Bobby Wade from Kansas City to Washington 2010: Demetrius Williams from Baltimore to Cleveland 2011: Seyi Ajirotutu from San Diego to Carolina 2011: Devin Aromashodu from Chicago to Minnesota 2011: Donnie Avery from St. Louis to Tennessee 2011: Steve Breaston from Arizona to Kansas City 2011: Plaxico Burress from New York Giants to New York Jets 2011: Jericho Cotchery from New York Jets to Pittsburgh Steelers 2011: Craig "Buster" Davis from San Diego to Buffalo 2011: Braylon Edwards from New York Jets to San Francisco 2011: James Hardy from Buffalo to Baltimore 2011: Johnnie Lee Higgins from Oakland to Philadelphia 2011: T.J. Houshmandzadeh from Baltimore to Oakland 2011: Michael Jenkins from Atlanta to Minnesota 2011: Bryant Johnson from Detroit to Houston 2011: Sinorice Moss from New York Giants to Philadelphia 2011: Legedu Naanee from San Diego to Carolina 2011: Taylor Price from New England to Jacksonville 2011: Mike Sims-Walker from St. Louis to Jacksonville 2011: Brad Smith from New York Jets to Buffalo 2011: Steve E. Smith from New York Giants to Philadelphia 2011: Brandon Tate from New England to Cincinnati 2011: Roy Williams from Dallas to Chicago 2012: Seyi Ajirotutu from Carolina to San Diego 2012: Plaxico Burress from New York Jets to Pittsburgh 2012: Andre Caldwell from Cincinnati to Denver 2012: Braylon Edwards from San Francisco to Seattle 2012: Braylon Edwards from Seattle to New York Jets 2012: Clyde Gates from Miami to New York Jets 2012: Robert Meachem from New Orleans to San Diego 2012: Carlton Mitchell from Cleveland to Jacksonville 2012: Josh Morgan from San Francisco to Jacksonville 2012: Laurent Robinson from Dallas to Jacksonville 2012: Brian Robiskie from Jacksonville to Detroit 2012: Eddie Royal from Denver to San Diego 2012: Greg Salas from New England to Philadelphia 2012: Dane Sanzenbacher from Chicago to Cincinnati 2012: Chaz Schilens from Oakland to New York Jets 2012: Jordan Shipley from Tampa Bay to Jacksonville 2012: Jerome Simpson from Cincinnati to Minnesota 2012: Steve E. Smith from Philadelphis to St. Louis 2012: Mike Thomas from Jacksonville to Detroit Low Level or Mixed Success Relative to Price 2008: Isaac Bruce from St. Louis to San Francisco 2008: Antonio Bryant from Dallas to Tampa Bay 2008: Muhsin Muhammad from Chicago to Carolina 2009: Jabar Gaffney from New England to Denver 2009: Brandon Lloyd from Chicago to Denver 2010: Terrell Owens from Buffalo to Cincinnati 2011: Sidney Rice from Minnesota to Seattle 2012: Danario Alexander from St. Louis to San Diego 2012: Donnie Avery from Tennessee to Indianapolis 2012: Pierre Garcon from Indianapolis to Washington 2012: Trindon Holliday from Houston to Denver 2012: Jacoby Jones from Houston to Baltimore 2012: Brandon Lloyd from St. Louis to New England 2012: Mario Manningham from New York Giants to San Francisco 2012: Brandon Stokley from New York Giants to Denver Broncos Unqualified Successful Signings 2009: Nate Washington from Pittsburgh to Tennessee 2012: Vincent Jackson from San Diego to Tampa Bay
