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Report: Jake Long wants “at least” $10 million annually

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by jim1, Jan 27, 2013.

  1. WhiteIbanez

    WhiteIbanez Megamediocremaniacal

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    Jake is already waaaay over rated and now he wants to be waaaay overpaid.
    Guy is washed up. Send him packing.
     
  2. WhiteIbanez

    WhiteIbanez Megamediocremaniacal

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    Wouldn't that pay him 13 million? No thanks.
     
  3. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    That's a great rationale for a team in the NFCE or NFCN where you face elite pass rushers on. Regular basis. But we run a quick pass game in a division where there are no elite pass rushers outside of Wake. IMo that money is better spent on pass rushers, DBs, or anyone else who can help us close the gap w NE. Can't beat Brady w a LT.
     
  4. CaribPhin

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    If he becomes healthy and dominant again you you'll pay a bit more that $10 million but at least you'll know. If he under-performs, he can be traded or at least let go at the end of the season while you're confident that he isn't the guy he once was. You're also completely off the hook and don't owe him any money.
     
  5. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    This argument might hold more weight if we hadn't been shut out for the first time since 2010 by the New England Patriots (for a total of 13 points in 2 games) in very large part because we could not pass protect for Ryan Tannehill.

    Chandler Jones is going to be a very good pass rusher. Already is very good. The Bills have Mario Williams, and they flip him around however they see fit. The Jets drafted Quinton Coples and while everyone was caught up in the first half of the season saying their requisite "I told ya so's" they failed to notice that in the second half of his rookie season he had 4 sacks, 6 hits on the quarterback and 5 pressures, in 145 pass rush snaps.

    So what happens in a year when we draft ourselves a right tackle (let's assume he can actually play well), Chandler Jones is regarded as one of the premier pass rushers in the NFL, when the Bills play us they decide to flip Mario Williams over to right end to go against Jon Martin who is weaker than our right tackle, and Quinton Coples has become a good pass rusher? And that's not even accounting for the possibility of acquisitions.
     
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  6. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Given this information it would seem prudent to offer Jake Long something along the lines of $9 or $9.5 million a year with playing time incentives that could get him to $11 million a year and an option bonus payable in 2014 that activates the remainder of the contract and allows the Dolphins the ability to get out of the contract having paid Jake about $12 million for his services in 2013.

    That should cover a lot of the concerns for both parties. The Dolphins get to kick the decision out another year to see if Jake really is on the down slope of his career already at like 27 years old. They'll know. They'll be able to see it. Either he'll show that 2012 was an anomaly or he won't and if he shows 2012 was a trend rather than an anomaly then the Dolphins will be able to cut bait having paid him $12 million for the chance to see if he's worthy of keeping around. On the other hand if he bounces back and stays healthy, you'll want to pay him the option bonus and keep him around. But you won't want to do it for $10-11 million a year unless he shows he can go back to being the guy that Jeff Ireland once said "you couldn't hurt with an axe". If he does keep missing games here and there then you only want to be paying him $9 or $9.5 million. If he's staying healthy for 16 games he'll reach his incentives and you'll be paying him $10-11 million.

    In the mean time you might sneak another roster bonus into 2016 to where you get to make another decision after year three whether to keep him or cut bait. That would be a very Tannehill/Offense-based decision. Either you think the offense can handle being without him or you don't. If you do then you re-allocate.
     
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  7. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Thank you. Just... thank you.
     
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  8. dolfan32323

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    ~10 mil with injury protection clauses in the contract seems alright for someone who is one of the best LTs when healthy.
     
  9. LiferYank

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    If you want to be the best you have to ...... play like the best. That is damn hard to do on the bench.
     
  10. I would not give him 10 million with or without injury protection. The only way I would resign him for that type of money is if I thought I could find a trade partner to use in to get something out of it more then just letting him walk away with no compensation.
     
  11. frozenfin

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    Jake hasnt been the same since getting hurt in that cowboys preseason game where sparano was playing the starters against cowboy camp fodder.
     
  12. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Possible? Yes.
    Probable? No
     
  13. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity X gonna take it from ya

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    I believe it will be closer to 15 mil. Someone tell Jake & his awkward first step to kick rocks.
     
  14. seabass0795

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    What if we sign him to a 3 year 30 mil contract, but most of the money is back-loaded. Like we give him 7-8 mil this year and 11 mil the next two. We have another year to see if the way he played this season is a fluke or if he is on a downward trend. If not we could trade him for a few picks or a player in a year or two.
     
  15. slickj101

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    And then people will cry when we didn't get the 1st overall pick in return since that's where he was drafted.
     
  16. cdz12250

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    Report: Jake Long wants “at least” $10 million annually

    Seeking is one thing. Getting is another. We shall see.
     
  17. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    but instead you're the only midget in the world who hasn't done porn?
     
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  18. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    ^^I don't think you can measure that very well at the moment.
     
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  19. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    ^^It's probably a jump off point. In which case he'll get less I'm thinking. In which case. Yeah definitely have to consider it.
     
  20. WhiteIbanez

    WhiteIbanez Megamediocremaniacal

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    Agree,Long playing in the fourth quarter of a preseason game was a head scratcher.
     
  21. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Eric Fisher or Lane Johnson at 12. Just so we can hear Padre cry like a girlyman. ;)
     
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  22. ToddPhin

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    :chuckle:





    ...... wait, but then we'd be sad for passing on Ansah. :sad:
     
  23. 17isOurSavior

    17isOurSavior New Member

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    see ya bud
     
  24. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Randall Patrick McMurphy...Jack's best role ever! That in of itself deserves a fist bump. :up:
     
  25. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Bran just liked the way he laughed. :shifty:
     
  26. WhiteIbanez

    WhiteIbanez Megamediocremaniacal

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    It really bugs me to pay a number one overall pick 10-15 mill to find out?
    After all this time. We already know. Honestly.
     
  27. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    That'a not giving yourself high praise. 90% of the adult male population in this country is probably better looking than Ron Jeremy. Ron didn't make it as a porn star based on his handsomeness.
     
  28. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Yupper. Right now, Jake is looking like the 2nd coming of Tony Boselli.
     
  29. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    It would be nice to poach Vollmer away from the Pats.
     
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  30. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    If you're going to get rid of Jake without any compensation in a year where you're likely going to acquire so many free agents that you're not even going to expect a compensatory pick for him, then it just highlights the hamster wheel that the Dolphins have been stuck in since this front office took over in 2008.

    Yeah, Lane Johnson would be an excellent pick at #12 overall. He would nail down your left tackle spot for a long time hopefully. But you'd better use the $7.5 million per year that you save on the Jake Long ==> Lane Johnson downgrade very wisely in order to upgrade the team very significantly. You can't be a team that vows to build via the Draft when you're constantly replacing your successful draft picks with other draft picks.

    It puts the pressure on your free agent acquisition process to use that $7.5 million per year wisely. And I'd not say the Dolphins have had a very good record with that. You look at the contracts they gave out to guys like Reggie Torbor, Charlie Anderson, Josh McCown, Eric Green, Justin Smiley, Jake Grove, Ernest Wilford, Tony McDaniel, Marc Colombo, David Garrard, Tim Dobbins, Tyler Thigpen, Gibril Wilson, Artis Hicks, Benny Sapp, Akin Ayodele and now Richard Marshall. Even Karlos Dansby, I think most would agree he's been overpaid. That's not been an area of strength for this front office. There haven't been enough Randy Starks, Richie Incognito and Kevin Burnett success stories there. Even their "success" stories like Chad Pennington, Brandon Marshall and Reggie Bush come with some pretty significant "Yeah, but..." stipulations.
     
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  31. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I've seen that movie probably 25 times in my life, at least. The book was even better. Ken Kesey was a brilliant writer.
     
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  32. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Jake Long isn't worth it. Even if he was dominant, I wouldn't want him. At least then we could get something for him though.

    1. Let Martin play LT. I think an NFL off-season workout program will seriously help him.
    2. Use part of the 10 million to sign a RT in FA
    3. Use the rest of that money to help sign play makers.

    Franchise him and send him somewhere for a "coupla picks" and/or player swap. Speaking of, what do you guys think his true value is? I'm thinking maybe a second (past history of dominance) and some change? SD, ARI, STL, CHI, GB, CIN, all need some guys to protect their QB. I have to imagine some of these teams would be interested as most have established QB's in need of serious protecting. If there is hope for Jake returning to form, wouldn't you take that gamble, assuming you have the cap space, and can get a contract structured for their protection?
     
  33. Maybe it had something to do with his ego
     
  34. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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  35. djphinfan

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    We don't even know if he really wants to be here..once we hear that from his own mouth, which i haven't,I'd like to know how healthy he is and what are doctors think about his future, if he wants to be here, and his injuries are not degenerative, I'd give him the money and flip Martin to guard.
     
  36. ToddPhin

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    One of my top 10 favorite movies, pappy.
     
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  37. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    one flew over the cuckoo's nest is one of my all time favorite movies. plus i like the way he laughed :tongue2:
     
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  38. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    It was filmed in Salem, and Depoe Bay, Oregon. My best friend's older brother's friend was an extra in the scene where they gave McMurphy shock therapy. :)
     
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  39. rafael

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    I don't have a great deal of faith that Long will ever again be as good as he was. I worry that the knee issues may have permanently made him step slower and he was never overly fleet of foot. He was good enough b/c of his long arms, but that may not be enough to compensate if his speed drops more. I also think that LT has lost some importance as we've gone to more of a quick passing game. Thirdly, back issues seem to rarely heal completely. We might get a good year out of him followed by more injury plagued years. That being said, I would probably be okay with a $9 - $9.5 mill/per contract that we could get out of in a year or so. That could give us to opportunity to trade him next year and get something out of losing him.
     
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  40. Ohio Fanatic

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    I'm okay with keeping Martin at LT, but like Clark Kent said, we really need a new RT, and I'd really like to try and sign Vollmer away from the Patsies. We don't need elite tackles to win, but we do need good ones.
     

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