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Hartline wants 5-6 million per season

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Perfectville_USA, Jan 26, 2013.

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  1. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Well yeah, if you insert ambiguous terms and platitudes, it kinda makes it hard to establish a firm criteria.
     
  2. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    I'd buy that Hartline has the ability to make plays that result in TDs, but the system/QB/team success holds him back if he had created more than 3 over the last 3 years. Just by chance, if he had the ability he would have created more than 1 per season. Especially as his targets doubled last season.

    To say that WR rely so heavily on outside factors for TDs that it is normal for Hartline to average 1 per season over the last 3 years because his was so bad, wouldn't that mean any team with a worse offense / QB than MIA shouldn't have a WR with more TDs? Is Cleveland so much better that Gordon / Little can score 9 combined TDs? Dwayne Bowe had 3 in the worst offense in the league. Fitz had 4 in ARI and the #2 guy there had 5.

    Why are WR on bad passing teams able to score more than 1 TD per year if TDs are completely reliant on QB/system/overall talent?
     
  3. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    According to Stringer, if you took the worst QB in the league and surrounded him with Cruz, Calvin Johnson, Gronkowski, and Adrian Peterson, he believes they'd win the SB, so apparently he believes the impact of playmakers is highly valuable, so I don't understand why he's seemingly arguing against this notion at the moment when Hartline is involved. I'm not trying to pick on Stringer but it seems like he's contradicting himself.


     
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  4. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    .... and how about compared to a 66 yard reception that doesn't happen period?..... or an 8 yard reception that remains an 8 yard reception b/c the receiver can't turn it into more even though other receivers around the league can?
     
  5. Fin D

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    You tell me which of the following quotes is NOT saying Tannehill is to blame for Hartline's poor TD production.

    That's just this thread, up to only post 221. I could go on.
     
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  6. jdang307

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    Matt Moore threw 16 last year in about 12 games, and Hartline only caught 1. I'm just saying. That's a very Joe Flacco'ish type season Moore had last year.
     
  7. JAMAICA

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    More of a #3 than a #2 to me. I'd much rather pay Greg Jennings or Mike Wallace then double up in the draft than pay Jennings/Wallace + Hartline. I'm not knocking Hartline's game because he's a reliable pass catcher and finds his way open fairly well, but I want my 6'2 WR to be able to find the endzone at a less than embarrassing rate. I mean, 6 touchdowns in 183 career receptions is laughable.
     
  8. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    I'm sure you're well aware that correlations of this kind, if they're to have any significant meaning, must be based on more than just one play.
     
  9. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    I can't tell if you're asking me for it or not. Happy to provide it if so.
     
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    shouright Banned

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  11. Stringer Bell

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    I don't think you understand what notion I'm against. Theres no contradiction. WRs impact the game, I don't dispute that. What I dispute is using TDs to measure their impact.
     
  12. Stringer Bell

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    Right, so he believes that QB is very impactful. Very likely the most important component. I don't interpret that as saying they are 100% of it.
     
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  13. AdamC13

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    Another factor to consider whether Hartline is worth signing for $5-$6 million a year is how consistent and reliable of an option he is imo. The following are "catch %" when factoring in catches / catches + drops + passes defensed for the 19 WRs accumulating 1,000+ in yards in 2012:

    Welker = 88.72%
    Crabtree = 85.86%
    Bryant = 84.40%
    Decker = 84.16%
    A. Johnson = 83.58%
    Thomas = 82.45%
    Hartline = 82.22%
    Green = 80.83%
    White = 80.00%
    Jones = 79.80%
    Jackson = 79.12%
    Johnson = 79.00%
    Cruz = 78.90%
    C. Johnson = 78.70%
    Marshall = 78.67%
    Moore = 78.31%
    Smith = 77.66%
    Colston = 77.57%
    Wayne = 76.26%

    The reason I am using catches + drops + passes defensed are those are the passes that are most catchable or at least "on target" when it comes to being targeted imo. Those are the passes within the realms of possibilities of catching (generally speaking). Many of the passes thrown away, thrown wide, overthrown, etc...all go into targets but are not in the WRs realm of possibility of catching (generally speaking).

    Not sure why Miami wouldn't want to re-sign a WR a young QB can trust will catch the ball 82.22% of passes that are in his wheel house, so to speak, while averaging 8.46 ypa.

    Of course, the WRs he is being compared to above are not likely available (Welker?) to be signed by Miami. The WRs most often cited as who Miami should target:

    Jennings = 83.72%
    Wallace = 75.29%
    Bowe = 68.60%

    Out of those is Jennings really worth spending an extra $3-$4 per year given his age and coming off an injury?
     
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  14. ToddPhin

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    so you're saying the only route Hartline runs is a 30 yard option route, that he never catches throws on short routes? Are you saying an offense shouldn't run any screen passes, that all routes are 30 yard option routes?

    The thing you can't make up for above all else is natural playmaking ability. I agree his route running & smarts make up for what he lacks, to the extent it makes him a slightly above average receiver, but IMO if the team doesn't have a receiver opposite him to make up for what Hartline lacks, Brian becomes a below average starter who holds the offense's production potential back; however he's still an asset as a #3.

    I don't like naming names but it has happened, and I know it's happened b/c it kinda shocked me that a parallel like that would be made.
     
  15. CANDolphan

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    Here is my feeling on Hartline, who is clearly an element to a more important overlying issue - Our WR corps (NOT CORE. Jesus I hate seeing "WR CORE!")

    The point? It's all depending on your overall view of the team. If we are going after Wallace, you tip the scales more towards "sign Hartline for cheap, or just go after draft picks", because simply put - draft picks are super cheap. But risky. Potential is the key word here.
     
  16. Stringer Bell

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    No, he runs a lot of routes very well. I'm not saying an offense shouldn't run any screen passes. I'm saying that I have no stylistic preference on how a WR gains those yards. Brian Hartline isn't very good after the catch, so you probably aren't going to throw him a lot of screens. Just like you have to dumb down your offense if you have Dez Bryant. There are very few WRs that don't have weaknesses.

    The more complicated the offense, the more inherent value Brian Hartline is going to have. When you consider how much this coaching staff values players learning the playbook and limiting mistakes, its easy to see why Brian Hartline is effective.

    I just can't agree with any assessment that doesn't have Hartline among the top 40 WRs in the league.
     
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  17. AdamC13

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    At least it isn't spelled "corpse" although some would think that is entirely appropriate...:lol:
     
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  18. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That might trip up our President though.

    Bong!
     
  19. Im not sure where you get 82% from. I used targets to catches and came up with 59%
     
  20. Ozzy

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    And Hartline caught a whopping ONE of them....
     
  21. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    My lord! How the hell'd we win seven games? :headscratch:

    Surely if your most targeted receiver catches only one touchdown, it should be difficult to win even a single game, and surely no more than a handful, right?

    ;)
     
  22. jdang307

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    Would have won a few more if he caught some TDs that's what I'm saying
     
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  23. Ozzy

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    Defense?
     
  24. Stringer Bell

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    [​IMG]

    #scorer
     
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  25. AdamC13

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    The formula I used is catches (divided by) catches + drops + passes defensed. I use those b/c at least those are the passes that are "on target" from the QB. If a QB throws the ball away, throws it wide, under throws it, etc...they are not going to be in the realm of possibilities for the WR to catch. Passes defensed reflects the WRs ability to get separation and/or how well he catches the ball when well covered.

    Hartline: 74 catches / 74 catches + 4 drops + 12 passes defensed = 74/90 = 82.22% (source Sports Illustrated)

    Of course, a multitude of variables go into passes defensed like situation, press coverage, double coverage, quality of CB, etc...but what stat is not influenced by a multitude of variables whether it be TD pass, interception, drops, catches, etc...?
     
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  26. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    Sure, and that would mean Tannehill threw more, too.
     
  27. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Strawman.
     
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  28. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Of course.

    now if Hartline was a tackle breaking beast and demanded his way into the endzone. Or Stayed on his feet and ran through the pass. Or is so shifty that he outmaneuvers DBs. Or is fast enough he flew by everyone, he'd have scored more TD's, and Tannehill would have gotten credit for a TD pass that he didn't throw in the red zone.

    You know, stuff like that.
     
  29. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    What, are you saying TDs by wide receivers can be compensated for by other parts of a team? :headscratch: ;)

    Careful! We're starting to dilute the argument that Hartline's TDs are so important. ;)
     
  30. jdang307

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    You're starting to move the goalposts Shouright.
     
  31. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    I'm simply illustrating the point, with something other than a number, that TD receptions by wide receivers are weakly correlated with winning.
     
  32. jdang307

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    Weakly correlated does not equal meaningless. You said meaningless.

    Those of us are arguing that scoring TDs highly correlates with winning. You score more TD's than the other guy, you win, unless they kicked the sh** out of some field goals.

    Score more TD's you win. A WR who scores TD's help you win. They take pressure off of the TE and RB having to do the heavy lifting.

    It's not the only way to win. Ladainian Tomlinson scoring 30 TDs for you helps. Gronkowski scoring 15 TDs helps. WR's scoring TD's help. Nobody said it is essential or the only key to winning. We're saying IT HELPS.

    You say it's meaningless.

    Now you've completely changed your tune.
     
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  33. emocomputerjock

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    Yes, please. Can you please do so for running backs, tight ends, and qbs?
     
  34. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    I'm still saying it's meaningless. When you control for QB rating, the corelation is -0.19. There is actually a negative relationship there. Holding QB rating constant, the more touchdowns your wide receivers catch, the less likely you are to win!
     
  35. MrClean

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    Perhaps the surprise of actually being open in the end zone was too distracting for him.:shifty:
     
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  36. shouright

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    My lord! You just want me to be a data mining machine, eh? :lol: :up:

    Here it is for QBs and WRs for the 2012 season:

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    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 26%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    Cincinnati Bengals
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    28
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    88.1
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 12%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    0.625
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    22
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%"]
    78.6
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    3.4
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    53.45
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 26%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    St. Louis Rams
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    22
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    82.7
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 12%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    0.469
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    15
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%"]
    68.2
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    2.3
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    51.35
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 26%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    Cleveland Browns
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    16
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    73.5
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 12%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    0.313
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    11
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%"]
    68.8
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    2.4
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    43.59
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 26%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    Washington Redskins
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    24
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    102.1
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 12%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    0.625
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    20
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%"]
    83.3
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    3.2
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    61.82
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 26%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    Jacksonville Jaguars
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    20
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    74.7
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 12%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    0.125
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    14
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%"]
    70.0
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    2.2
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    44.44
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 26%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    Tennessee Titans
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    17
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    76.9
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 12%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    0.375
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    12
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%"]
    70.6
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    2.2
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    50
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 26%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    San Francisco 49ers
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    23
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    101.2
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 12%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    0.719
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    14
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%"]
    60.9
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    3.6
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    54.69
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 26%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    San Diego Chargers
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    26
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    88.5
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 12%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    0.438
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    15
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%"]
    57.7
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    2.9
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    46.81
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 26%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    Buffalo Bills
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    24
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    82.2
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 12%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    0.375
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    13
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%"]
    54.2
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    3
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    50
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 26%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    Miami Dolphins
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    13
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    76.7
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 12%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    0.438
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    3
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%"]
    23.1
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    2.4
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    55.26
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 26%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    Seattle Seahawks
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    27
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    100.6
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 12%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    0.688
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    18
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%"]
    66.7
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    3.6
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    53.85
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 26%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    Arizona Cardinals
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    11
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    63.1
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 12%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    0.313
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    11
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%"]
    100.0
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    2.5
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    40
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 26%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    Chicago Bears
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    21
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    80.4
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 12%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    0.625
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    17
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%"]
    81.0
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    2.9
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    50
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 26%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    New York Jets
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    14
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    68.3
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 12%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    0.375
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    9
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%"]
    64.3
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    2.9
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    48.94
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 26%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    Minnesota Vikings
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    18
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    81.2
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 12%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    0.625
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    8
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%"]
    44.4
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    3.1
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    52.83
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 26%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    Kansas City Chiefs
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    8
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 11%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    63.8
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 12%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    0.125
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    4
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%"]
    50.0
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    2.3
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 10%, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
    27.03
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
     
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  37. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If you hold QB rating constant, with less TDs, does that mean a higher completion percentage, or yards for the QB right? If you hold that higher % and yards (or whatever it is that made their QBR constant) and add more TDs, what do you get?

    You see that right? By holding QBR constant, the more TDs your wide receivers catch, the less well the QB played in OTHER areas. More INTs, less completion percentage, etc. etc.
     
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  38. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I do not agree with that opinion. He wouldn't start over Moore or Henderson. He'd be their 4th WR.
     
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  39. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Yup that was all because of Ponder. ;) Heck, if Tannehill wasn't such a scrub, Naanee would have had a bunch of catches, TDs, and went to the Pro Bowl. :shifty:
     
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  40. Agreed I was just wondering how you got such high percentages when I was getting much lower %s for all of them. I do not think either formula is 100% accurate but as long as your using the same formula for all of them and using it to compare them to one another its fair enough.
     
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