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The Importance of the Tight End

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by shouright, Nov 20, 2012.

  1. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    You know those things on Sundays called games?? They have these people who are called players, and these players are listed by skill at a position on things called depth charts. When one of these players is rarely even in uniform, it's fair to assume they stand a very small chance of becoming world beaters. But by all means I wouldn't put it past my fav couple (phinS-finD) to dig up a 400 character post explaining why it's ok to be drafted in the 3rd round and still not play on Sundays.


    Shoot!
     
  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It's obvious it's a complicated offense to pick up, if he struggles in that dept, it just means its going to take him some time.
     
  3. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Settle down Chuckles. You said there was a lot wrong with him. I asked for specifically what those things were. You gave me zero anything. That makes you full of crap.
     
  4. Fin-Omenal

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    I may be full of crap...but Atlleast it's not pushed in 4.5 inches thanks to PhinS. :yes:
     
  5. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    He brings facts and facts are sexy. Jealousy looks bad on you.
     
  6. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Nearly all newcomers to the NFL need time to develop.

    signed,
    me
     
  7. Fin-Omenal

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    Seems like our 3rd round pick works Mon thru Fri.

    Good for him I guess, just bad for us. Again. Thanks Jeff.
     
  8. Laces Out

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    I would have signed that Knowshown Moreno, from 1st rounder to scout team to starter
     
  9. ToddPhin

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    Deej, in all fairness to Egnew he entered Mizzou as a 6'4 200 pound WR.
    I'm guessing he had to work and train a decent bit to get up to 250 pounds.
    Secondly, IIRC, he was more like an oversized slot receiver than a TE in college, so it's more than about just picking up a new system; it's also about learning a new position.

    So basically:
    1. learning a new position (including blocking responsibilities)
    2. learning a new system
    3. getting bigger/stronger
    4. growing accustomed to the speed of the NFL game

    That's no cakewalk.
     
  10. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    well, you're usually so full of crap that that's as far as I can push it.
     
  11. Fin-Omenal

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    This reminds me of the camp who swore Jason Allen was taking the same career path as Troy Polamalu.

    Egnew blows, admidt it that he has about a 3% chance of ever living up to being a 3rd rd pick.
     
  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    What about the camp that swore about Paul Soliai?
     
  13. Fin D

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    Its cruel to take away his narrative. Now all he'll have is the smell of spit and regret.
     
  14. ToddPhin

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    Not even Polamalu was playing like Polamalu as a rookie, stoopid.
    Who cares what Allen did or didn't do. His lack of success suddenly doesn't make it uncommon for good players to do nothing as rookies.
    Give me a long enough list of rookies who have played at a Pro Bowl level to show that it's not acceptable when they don't. If you'd like to do one for TE's, too, that'd be fine.


    Elite receiving tight ends like Gonzalez, Gates, Graham, Dallas Clark, and Witten all caught for only 300 something yards as rookies..... and the high 1st round Vernon Davis caught only 265 yards as a rookie. I guess they should've all been demoted and had their replacements drafted following their rookie seasons, huh? :p
     
  15. ToddPhin

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    .... and the camp that swore about Reshad Jones? (b/c they don't know crap about NFL football nor understand the learning curve involved)
     
  16. ToddPhin

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    Typical, ridiculous, knee-jerk fan reaction, "He's not contributing enough as a rookie so he sucks."
     
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  17. djphinfan

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    What probably happened to him is he knew he had to gain weight, so nutrition and proper weight gain went out the window, he's got good genetics he just needs to transform the body into a machine, he was lethargic moving in camp.
     
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  18. ToddPhin

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    That would seem about right to me now that you mention it.
     
  19. Fin-Omenal

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    He's the only rookie I've said that about, and really how this started was I stated we aren't going to sit on our hands and wait for Egnew to make the very unlikely transition from inactivity to NFL stardom. If a player is special normally there is some evidence at some point. Not saying a light bulb won't go on, but I'm certainly betting against it.
     
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  20. Fin-Omenal

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    Difference between fat and lazy and absent minded.
     
  21. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    If one is absent minded, they can easily be fat and lazy.
     
  22. Bpk

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    I wanted Gronkowski in the draft. Oh well. We have Egnew.

    Still don't understand why we released Martin. He was only a great passing threat and decent blocker.
     
  23. Bpk

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    Disagree D.

    Tight Ends have more impact on the second level players nearest the ball.. Ergo the biggest impact on run defenders.

    Goes back to the football philosophy that players impact decreases the further they are from the ball... Blockers excepted.
     
  24. alen1

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    I agree having a tight end is important, especially with how mich Man Under and Cover 2 we're still seeing. Have to win one on one and have to be able to exploit the seam. The width of the spread sets has really thinned out defenses in the seam and one has to take advantage.
     
  25. Disgustipate

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    I'm not sure I understand. That can't really go for the passing game, with wide receivers can it?
     
  26. shouright

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    I don't think so, simply because think of the multitude of vertical routes that are ran and clear out space for underneath pass catchers. You see it every game; clearout with a corner or go-route and then someone replaces space, as I like to call it, with an open route underneath.
     
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  28. CaribPhin

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    David Martin? The guy had exploding knees.

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  29. Bpk

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    There's a school that very much thinks so. I believe KB21 is the headmaster of this school.
     
  30. Bpk

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    But the impact on winning is likely to be more from an elite QB or running back than WR. All three may contribute but replacing the WR with an average one would have less impact on winning than replacing QB or RB with an average one. By this line of thought, TE would also influence the game more, unless used as a blocker for the most part.

    Personally I think the proximity to the ball theory works better for defense than offense.
     
  31. Bpk

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    Don't recall major issues. Was he missing a lot of games?
     
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  34. GMJohnson

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    Fasano is average at best, and Ireland is the one who can't judge talent? Ha ha ha.
     
  35. GMJohnson

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    Yeah the LBs have less to worry about when the offense lacks a guy who can get behind them. But I'd stop there.
     
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    Replacing Bess is far from moronic if we can find a guy who's a better fit in his spot. IMO a taller, faster guy, who can actually block could give the offense more versatility. More seam, corner routes, we screens, reverses, etc. Bess is a nice player but he's not a big play threat at all.
     
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  37. ToddPhin

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    yeah, you shouldn't take it past the LBs, just like Bess. :p
     
  38. LBsFinest

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    Fasano is about as average as it gets bro.

    graham
    gonzalez
    heath miller
    davis
    walker
    hernandez
    gronk
    gresham
    gates
    bennett
    cook
    finley
    witten
    pitta
    olsen
    keller
    allen
    rudolph
    daniels
    davis
    celek
    pettigrew
    kendricks

    that's 20+ TE's off the top of the head that i'd for sure take over fasano.

    and in the draft i'd definitely take Eiffert over him as well.
     

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