I think the thing is, it may be Aponte who is actually in charge of getting the contracts done. So yes, with Tannehill, it might have been the offset language, but that doesn't mean it can't be something else with Jennings and Aponte still be the point person.
Sign this mother grabber..I've been in love with him for a long time, had him as elite for a brief stint...I want to smell him...
I studied this cat a lot..I think he would be the most talented wide receiver we've had since Irving fryar.. We have the rare oppurtunity to sign a top 10 player at his position...Ireland and Philbin Will make this happen, there's no doubt in my mind.. 4 years 36 mill...done..
I believe Aponte IS in charge of getting contracts done. Agree with you on Tannehill. However, I think Aponte's end of it is more completing the language of the contract, making sure everything's signed properly, etc. I don't think she'd ever be saying, "Jeff, we can only sign Greg Jennings for 3 years at 'X' number of dollars, we can't do 4." I think that's Ireland's part of it, and why we heard what we did from guys like Joey Porter, Channing Crowder, and Ryan Clark. Certainly, Aponte could include some kind of injury-clause language that could snag negotiations, but I think it's more up to Jeff Ireland, Joe Philbin, and the coaches to make the "sell" of bringing guys in. Sounds like Greg Jennings wouldn't be a hard sell. But if they went after a Dwayne Bowe, Mike Wallace, Ryan Clady, etc. I think that'd be more of a case of Ireland pushing or not pushing the right buttons, rather than anything Dawn Aponte would do, in bringing or not bringing a free agent in. Which is why I included that in my last post. But I agree in general with what you've said.
Jeff Ireland just needs to believe in his smelf. Sorry, couldn't resist. If we added Greg Jennings and drafted Cordarrelle Patterson...I can dream, right?
I was just reminding people that its not just Ireland getting it done, with regards to contracts. Aponte will be involved, and that is not being mentioned. The offset language is not for these contracts no, but it was a point of reference for people to remember from earlier in the season. Everyone just says "Ireland don't screw it up" but Ireland isn't the one doing everything, especially with regards to contracts. You need some accounting background to say the least and also have a strong handle with regards to some league policy/restrictions/language aspects. Thats too much for Ireland as well as being the GM, not alone. It needs more than one person, and in many ways its the other people who are hammering things out in the end, not Ireland. He gets updates as to what's happening. Many just put everything on Ireland, and it isn't quite right. He will likely set certain parameters and give the O.K. on any new provisions etc., but he isn't in there hammering out language and such. Thats the nuts and bolts of a contract and how the structure is laid out has a lot to do with whether a deal is signed or not.
This year, that should not be a dream Ro, there is an inordinate amount of dream scenarios that could easily come true given our resources. Mine is Jennings..EIfert..Woods..
Aponte is the cap person. How quickly people are forgetting her on Hard Knocks. She absolutely has a lot to do with the contract negotiations
I recall CK pointing out how stupid it was beginning to be on Aponte's part that she was screwing up negotiations over a triviality.
Well, we got it done. And he only missed a day or 2 of camp, which in the big picture was meaningless. Getting it done at #8 will help us this year in terms of a leverage standpoint to get it at #12 this year. And in the end of the day, that provision to the contract helps protect us if the pick doesnt pan out. If we draft a WR this year, and he goes Ted Ginn on us... we can cut him and have it minimally impact our cap. And thats nice to have. Sure, you can say "well dont miss on the pick!". But statistically, whoever we draft at 12 this year only has around a 50% chance of panning out. Not exactly great odds... so whatever protection you can build in for yourself... the better.
He traded 2 seconds for Marshall, though. You're clearly ignoring that. Remember, he doesn't draft QBs in the first round either. Oh wait.
First of all, according to the apologists, trading for Marshall would've been all Parcells, but that's beside the point. But he did draft 2 QB's in the 2nd round, so we know he wasn't against using high picks on that position.
we got 2 3rds because Marshall lost value, he was older. pretty simple. and yes, he deserves blame for Naanee and Chad Johnson, but it's almost irrelevant. Both of them were considered at best #3's. neither was expected to save the WR corps. so while it's a failure, it's not a colossal one like you're dramatizing it to be.
You said they were brought in to be the "answer". Judging by their 1 yr minimum contracts I'd say that wasn't the case.
I would refrain from using words such as apologists if you want to be taken seriously. It's pathetic. Before Tannehill was drafted, the argument against Ireland was he would never use a first round pick on a QB. He did. He also used 2 seconds on Marshall, which was a huge risk. Why would he not go after Jennings, which isn't even a risk? That's as a safe a signing as there is.
Its not as simple as "if Irish doesn't sign him, he screwed it up"...there are things that have to be taken into account...maybe Joe doesn't feel the same way about him. Maybe he asks for elite money. Maybe his wife freaks out at the cost of living in SF. There lots reasons that may keep this from happening and it still NOT be Irelands fault...
Well, we got two thirds because Marshall simply wasn't the same guy we traded for in the first place. It isn't over in Chitown for their grief with this guy so it's a bit early to judge that trade...at any rate, I think he got what he could for the loser... As for Nanee and Johnson...while CJ never showed much and then beat his wife or whatever it was....case closed...at that point, he wasn't worth the effort on our part. As to Nanee, I don't think we ever saw him do anything...period...who's fault is that ?? But your right that both were considered expendable fill ins at best and not the 'answer'...
Watch.....just watch. We thought Matt Flynn was a slam dunk too. It's not just Ireland though, it's Jennings too. I want him here, but not with a stupid contract either.
It comes down to if you really believe without Sherman here, would Ireland have picked Tannehill at # 8. I don't believe he would have.
so then last year what was the plan ? You cannot trade Marshall and not replace him. It was unfair to your team to put them at such a disadvantage.
If you mean that our wrs stunk and Ireland knew it then I agree. If you're saying he didn't attempt to do something or that there were a litany of better options then I'd disagree.
What I'm saying is he put the buggy before the horse, so to speak. He traded our best offensive weapon without either plan - or at least a solution - to the huge hole that was made. Some have said he tried to trade for Maclin, I have no idea how accurate that is. But once that fell through, I still don't understand why he ignored the WR until the 6th round in the draft. So, I'm not saying he didn't attempt to do something, I'm saying the attempt seems fairly lackluster.
Brandon Marshalls don't grow on trees. Hopefully wel have some NFL wrs this year, everything else has been talked to death IMO.
Everyone in the MEDIA thought Flynn was a "slam dunk". People who could sit back and analyze it knew that if Philbin wanted Flynn he would have been here, who knew him better? the fact that we lowballed Flynn told me everything I needed to know about the player. If the guy that coached him and knew him better than anyone did not go "all in" on the player then no one should have. Think the Seabags are happy with the investment? They might cut his *** this offseason.