Multidimensionaloffensivetheory, member that.. Aka, the Pistol, what the wildcat should of evolved to, what we didnt have the schematic and mental acuity to evolve into, nor the evaluation talent to identify the executioner..There can't be that much debate about the word Gimmick as an offense or as a player that runs it, It's playing in the Super Bowl today, so take it back all you gimmickers you.lol. My question is, can WE run this offense? Should we run this offense ? Does Sherman, Philbin, and Taylor have any connections, or interest? Didn't Zac Taylor run that Nebraska option offense?..I believe I saw Tannehill run some strait up shreds down the freakin middle at Texas A&M, comin off that edge after faking the handoff, exploding actually thru the line in sprinting to the end zone..I don't know if RT has the ability to run Laterally with this zone read stuff, maybe we should just stick to the more conventional stuff.? I really want to run some of this pistol and Zone read, should our prospects skillets reflect that? Sherman/Philbin/Taylor/RT...will we go there?.. Or should we build our offense around a drop back QB?
IMO as I said and maybe I should cut and paste the post but IMO, no, RT is not talented enough to be a Kapertnik and not even close to Russel Wilsons abilitys. What ZAC TAYLOR ran at Nebraska and was successful at was more of passes thrown from rolling out. Taylor was not a read option QB at Nebraska. Not sure but fairly certain his total yardage for rushing when at Nebraska was in the MINUS category, for his 2 years there, total. What made him failry successful was Nebraska was never known for throwing the football. Taylor changed that and they had some pretty fast receivers but again, this is college with what, 85 guys on the sideline ? LOL, Taylor is a good kid but he did nothing earth shattering at Nebraska and he certainly did not run a read option offense. Bill Callahan was coach then before he was driven out of town and Callahan canned the option offense for a pro style offense. Found his stats while at Nebraska. In 2 years he ran the ball 136 times for a total of MINUS - 73 YARDS. http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/zac-taylor-1.html
Tannehill ran the read option successfully at A&M, and that's the real part of the 'pistol' offense that has become popular. He's athletic, so... yeah. If they wanted to run it, they could. The Phins actually ran some read option later in the year, and Tannehill ran it effectively. I'm just not a fan of exposing the QB to hits too often. I think an effective drop-back QB is still what I would ultimately want. A guy who can scramble, extend plays, and run for a first down every now and again. However, his first option needs to be getting the ball in the hands of his skill guys so they can make plays.
My eyes tell me your right about RT in the zone read bill, I know he has athletic ability to run, but its not like the other rookies,his arm talent is where it's at., maybe they know that and that's why we saw him constricted to the pocket with no zone read. I would live to know what Shermans take is, this is gonna hurt watchin it evolve around us, I'm hopin a brother can get wrinkle or two.
I don't know if the Pistol is so much the important portion of it, but I think that there should be some element of designed quarterback runs in the offense. What we saw at the end of the year is appropriate, +/- 5 designed run plays a game with a couple of option plays and draw plays. Force offenses to defend it and practice it because it looks like he's able to get you chunk yardage pretty frequently. Tannehill is good at it, and I think he's also responsible. His style is very slippery and he doesn't expose himself to big hits.
That's good to hear..I mean we must show that we are doing it, for the simple reason of forcing the opponents to prepare for it, so you think he can stick the ball in the backs gut, pull it out, read it, and have the quickness.. Why is Ault still in Nevada?... That guy is awesome. I wonder if a Gruden/Ault combination is brewing.
Pistol formation has benefits beyond just running from the QB position. And considering Tannehill has done some read option and had a few nice runs this season, I'm thinking Miami could run it just fine. Whether or not we want to... We'll see.
Does Tannehill have the ability? Absolutely! Does the coaching staff have a willingness to utilize these methods? That's the part that is in question with me. Mike Sherman ran some zone read stuff at Texas A&M, but it wasn't a lot. His offense in College Station was more of a spread out version of the traditional west coast philosophy. The same goes for what Philbin and McCarthy ran in Green Bay. Philbin and McCarthy did do some option route stuff, but the offense is largely the west coast offense run out of three wide sets with a flex tight end. Prior to this, Miami clearly didn't have the coaching acumen to integrate the college level philosophies into their overall offense. Personally, I think it can be argued either way whether the scouting staff and front office had the acumen to identify the needed talent. I do know that the scouting staff and front office loved Colin Kaepernick and thought he was everything they thought they were getting with Pat White along with everything Pat White wasn't....i.e...a big quarterback who could pass the football. The front office's failure is their lack of aggressiveness to make a move to get the player they really liked. I'm convinced the front office had the things in mind back in 2008 and 2009 to do what the 49ers are doing and what the Redskins are doing. The problem was, when they drafted Pat White which was a Bill Parcells whim, they realized quickly their bad evaluation of that player's ability to translate what he did at the college level to what he could do at the pro level, they quickly abandoned the idea as a whole.
What the pistol formation effectively does is allow you to marry some traditional I formation power run philosophies with some of the newer spread offense option and zone running philosophies. IMO, DJ is correct in thinking that this is what we should have evolved the single wing stuff we were running into. In the single wing, the run game is mostly power with a jet sweep here and there.
damn it..yup, thats exactly what I believe to of happened..we were close with a vision, but didnt pull the right trigger, and didn't, like you said, have the acumen to implement an evolved version of the wildcat..
Pistol puts a defense even more on it's heels, imo, because of the depth and timing. It forces them to react with insufficient time, compared to a shotgun depth... but is JUST deep enough to let the RB and QB exchange run the option away from the center.
I have a sour taste in my mouth regarding the pistol since UCLA tried and failed at using it recently, but more power to them if they could pull it off with tannehill
The other rookies were all major league baseball draftees outside of RGIII who is just an phenom. Anyone dreaming RT can run a read option offense, successfully, should take off your tinfoil hat. RT ran a spread offense, IN COLLEGE, which is a tad different then the NFL.
That's what they tried to do, though. Pat White didn't take more than 2-3 Wildcat snaps, it was all shotgun two-back option stuff or Pistol(vs. the Patriots). They did have the right idea, and I'm not even sure they had the wrong player, so much as he never got a real opportunity. Giving him 1-2 snaps for a guy expected to be a rusher was not a good idea at all.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, you dreamers make me laugh. Ryan Tannehill is what he is. A most likely decent QB that has a decent arm and MAY be able to hit receivers deep. Now can he do it on a consistent basis ? Like I said, D1 teams have 85 to 130 players on the sideline, please remember that the NFL only has 45 on gameday. RT on a better team, would be a backup and it ends there.
Speaking of hesitation, now I'm no scheme guy like Pate and Alen,KB, but 4 years ago, when I saw that hesitation infiltrate the outside linebackers and D'ends instinctual mindset, just from a running back faking to the ball carrier, I knew something revolutionary could evolve and I knew the skillset we needed to evolve it.. I used to watch Ronnie do what he did to perfection, as limited as it was, I mean we knew he couldn't throw,so the limitations of the offense were set, but damn did he make some folks look silly with a combination of two variables happening simultaneously, his ability to have vision while the ball was being faked,and the now innate instinct to hesitate by the defender, that little edge of explosiveness being taken away from their jump was key. I remember Louisville and Petrino running some interesting stuff, I love the sound of a power spread.. Spread your receivers, ( Jennings, Austin, Hart, Bess) get your flex tight end (Eifert), have your Qb and the scheme threaten from every spot horizontally, get strong fast lineman, and an Eddie Lacy..With the way you flex your weapons, and the fact that they know your going to attack them horizontally from behind the LOS, they can't keep 7 or 8 in the box, so then it's oline against Dline, with Lacy having space to pound you...lots of one on one tackles..Lacy..spin move..6 points while running over a defender along the way..
So it is really gonna be patterned after that Green Bay offense and we should see what they do with Rodgers on the move and see if RT's skillset matches up with that better? I mean he is fantastic on the run from either side.
Been going back a lot looking at our boy from the U...if this kid develops the patience, he could be our frank gore..they have some similarities in their feet sifting thru that traffic..Lamar is bigger than most might think, and his speed is legit.
Actually, yes he did. Did he run it a ton? No. But he did do it at times. http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-Draft-Ryan-Tannehill-and-the-read-option.html
Shred for 65 right off the zone read, strait up the gut, that was an easy one but still cool to know that there might be some potential there to explore.
He did it at times ? OMG man, a read option offense is run on a regular basis for a good part of every game. ONCE IN AWHILE does not equate to a read option offense. Go ahead, I friggin give up. If Ryan Tannehill even attempted to run what Kapertnik or Wilson or RGIII runs ON A REGULAR BASIS IN EVERY GAME AND QUITE A BIT ? We will be looking for another QB. You guys are starting to remind me of Omar. I sit at practice and read his BS Blog and wonder if we were even at the same practice. You guys want to imagine Tyan Tannhhill is a Read option QB and Mike Sherman runs a good read option offense then have at it. I will sit back and laugh my asss off at all of you. Just like Garner was a starter and John Jerry is a good offensive lineman. ( sigh ) I guess the term, ignorance is bliss really does have a meaning. Ryan Tannehill a read option QB , omg LMFAO in no way shape or form or any glimmer of a hope is RT capable of running a zone option and IF HE ATTEMPTED TO RUN IT, he will be on IR. Save the post.
I wish I was at my computer so I could pull up the thread I made about running the pistol 3 yrs ago. You don't even need a QB that can run very well to use the pistol. Its really just a matter of marrying effective play action with the shotgun formation.
Most of what they used with White was inverted Veer stuff. At least against the Patriots. Baffling how they really only committed themselves to that stuff for about a series or two.
remember similar comments made about Joe Flacco. I even remember after the draft I suggested Tannehill might grow into a QB like Flacco (since I didn't think RT would be elite, but just very good). I was scoffed at with some ridicule since some people thought that RT would be a bust if he turned into Joe Flacco. well, Flacco looked pretty good tonight. we could do worse
Lol @ he would be a backup on a good team. Glad we have been able to map his entire career trajectory after one season.
IMO would only be good on the occasional play as a surprise. If RT tried to run it out of a standard offense it would be as about as effective as the mildcat...I mean wildcat.
28 second mark [video=youtube_share;9BATjEpA6nA]http://youtu.be/9BATjEpA6nA?t=28s[/video] I'm not sure why anyone would assume that he could not do this 5-8 times per game. Just enough to keep defenses extremely honest.
See for me it's about building the ruinning game around the Zone read, very few times did the niners run out of a proset look, it was all misdirection, fakes, just so much deception, you need Qb athleticism and quickness to do so many things on one play from the Qb position..
I agree. Running it 5-8 times per game does so many things: It can help the run game. It prevents the way the D-Line can rush the QB. It takes speed rushers biggest weapons away from them. D line has to contain rather than rush. It freezes linebackers and allows TEs to get open downfield. That video was just to prove that there is no reason to believe Ryan Tannehill can't do this as good as if not better than just about any QB in the NFL sans like 5 of them (RGIII, Wilson, maybe Vick, Kaepernick, Rodgers, anyone else I'm missing?)
I think your gonna have to be pretty special in certain talent traits to execute it successfully, consistently, for it to work on the NFL..I'm not sure he has those but I'd like to find out for real.
I can put together a video for you showing that Ryan Tannehill was highly successfull this year running the read option against NFL defenses when they ran it. Especially in the 2nd half of the season. But I really shouldn't have to as you know what I'm talking about.
