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Baerry Jackson Sports Buzz: Analysts, evaluators assess Dolphins' offseason plans

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by jim1, Feb 3, 2013.

  1. jw3102

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    I don't think Martin is the answer at LT. In fact I don't even know if he is the answer at RT. I don't ever see him being anything more than a below average offensive lineman in the NFL.

    As far as Long is concerned, his play has continued to decline over the past two years. Because of injuries, I don't think he will ever be the player he was in his first three years in the league.
    If he is willing to sign a contract for the money the middle tier LT's are earning, I have no problem with Dolphins signing him to a new contract. If he wants to be paid as one of the top LT's in the NFL, the Dolphins should just let him sign somewhere else.

    With Long's play declining and Jerry not being the answer at RG, along with Martin being a huge question mark, the Dolphins have to rebuild the offensive line over the next few drafts. In fact it would not surprise me in the least if Ireland doesn't use the Dolphins first round draft selection on an offensive lineman.

    Hopefully they can fill their WR need in free agency as well as add a quality player in the secondary. They can use one of their second round picks on a TE. This will give them another second round pick and the two third round picks add players to their defense and their offensive line. We can only hope they find some quality players in rounds four through seven.
     
  2. Shamboubou

    Shamboubou Well-Known Member

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    Thats because as slow as we are on offense its like the redzone every play. We were limited to about 15 to 20 yards. Makes it hard when your always in the "redzone".
     
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  3. RoninFin4

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    I think Eifert at 12 would be over drafting him. I mean, consider where Coby Fleener and Dwayne Allen went last year; Eifert is not at their level in my opinion.
     
  4. Phinfanjt

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    You know what makes for a much better arguement? Explaining why in your opinion one is better than the other. Making a lame attempt to attack those that don't agree isn't.

    Eifert, Ertz... Ertz, Eiffert. I don't think you can really go wrong either way. Ertz is a natural athlete and is smooth in his route running and creates seperation with his route quickness. He has extremely strong hands and is very good at finding soft spots in coverage. He doesn't shy away from contact and is always looking for someone to block. He could use work with his inline blocking but he gives good effort. He most comfortable in the slot but has lined up all over the field. He's also not the fastest guy and could use some work on his straight line speed.
    Eifert is a very lean athlete that uses his length to go up and get the ball at its highest point. Like Ertz he has very strong hands and comes down with the ball in traffic. Also has issues with his inline blocking and has a tendancy to reach but he's a better blocker than given credit for. He can line up all over the field and his height and natural pass catching skills makes him very difficult when lined up out wide.
    Both are very good prospects with similar skill sets. In my opinion Eiffert is the better prospect but not in a land slide. I should note that i've read that many scouts have Ertz rated higher and Daniel Jeremiah, who I believe is one of the best in the business has Ertz going before Eiffert in his latest mock. The difference between the two isn't the slam dunk that you make it sound.
     
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  5. djphinfan

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    It's an inside joke rookie, with one of the most respected members on the site, and a good friend, an an old bastard.( hence the old fart reference).I've made many cases for Eifert over Ertz..
     
  6. djphinfan

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    Me too..but We have to realize that this is the reality of this years draft, every one is different..Eifert for me is in the running for best skillset player in the draft so I have to put that in some sort if context as to where he goes.
     
  7. Fin D

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    More than that Deej,.....we have to realize the draft is changed completely.

    The rookie cap has (and will continue) to alter the draft dramatically. We have to change how we think of value, because the financial burden of missing is no longer present anymore. The only value there is now is QB and need. We should start looking at rounds like this:

    - Picks have the same value in this range: 1st RD Picks 1 - 8
    - Picks have the same value in this range: 1st RD Picks 9 - 2nd RD
    - Picks have the same value in this range: 3rd RD - 4th RD
    - Picks have the same value in this range: 5th RD - 6th RD
    - Picks have the same value in this range: 7th RD - UFDAs

    The reason I think this is because you're going to have your blue chips like always, but from there, because the financial aspect is so different now, GMs are going to take more "gambles", until the only way to gauge a player's draft status is by the above bullets or something similar. You'll be able to ensure you get your target by taking him earlier then some may predict, but it'll be worth it if you have strong convictions. If you miss, you're not really get set back a huge salary. So rounds are going to have to blend together a bit because the salary variance is so small and insignificant.
     
  8. alw1971

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    I would call that a result : )
     
  9. Boomer

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    Almost certain that Miami will sign Donnie Avery in free agency and overdraft Tyler Eifert at twelve, considering that offensive job done.
     
  10. Sceeto

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    LOL!! :drink:
     
  11. Phinfanjt

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    Ahh the rookie comment. Can't say I didn't see that commin. Let me guess, you're the journeyman back up QB?
     
  12. Den54

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    No, he's a highly regarded member of this community.
    Remind us of who you are again?
     
  13. Desides

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    I would rather get a TE in FA. Bennett, Cook, someone like that. I'm not a big fan of the TE class at all this year: if I had to choose one position that absolutely must be fixed through free agency, it's tight end.

    Basically, my ideal FA would be something like Jennings, Johnson, Bennett/Cook, and some type of safety to replace Clemons. Get me those and the draft can unfold any way Ireland likes as far as I'm concerned.
     
  14. RoninFin4

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    Michael Johnson would be nice, but I think he's destined to get the franchise tag placed on him by Cincinnati.
     
  15. Desides

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    Honestly, with this DE class, Cincy may not care.
     
  16. RoninFin4

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    They've got a ton of guys who are free agents in addition to Johnson, I think they'll care more than they normally would.
     
  17. djphinfan

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    If we go free agent tight end, I would look into Fred Davis to see if his heads right.
     
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  18. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You thought I was serious, when I was joking..rookie mistake..
     
  19. djphinfan

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    Anquan " should of and could of been a dolphin Boldin..

    That was one of the best throws from an athletic standpoint you will see, unbelievable
     
  20. Aquafin

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    i would draft all defense and go all offensive skill players in f/a ifthedraft is weak and people are saying this draft is realy weak at wr tightend and runningbacks .


    I wouldnotmind if webrought in Jennings and Welker and letwelker retire a fin so we canget a dolphin player into canton which we wont for at least 10 to 15 more years.
     
  21. djphinfan

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    What a fu&$in throw Kap
     
  22. djphinfan

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    Hesitation by defenders..guts for 10 with lamike
     
  23. djphinfan

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    Fumble ravens ball..lets go baby
     
  24. djphinfan

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    That Calvin Klein guy had a beautiful body...lol
     
  25. djphinfan

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    If Beyonce sings all the single ladies I'm gonna barf, but I hope she's wearing somethin naughty and shakes that pillow of love dough.
     
  26. djphinfan

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    Flacco , you throwin darts son..good to see that dude quiet his critics
     
  27. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ed reeeeeeeeeeed..
     
  28. jw3102

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    It will never happen, but since he is a free agent, I would love to see the Dolphins sign Flacco. They could trade Tannehill for a first round draft pick and they would then have two first, two second and two third round draft picks. They would also have one of the best young QB's in the NFL.

    Of course the Ravens aren't going to let Flacco get away, but I can always dream.
     
  29. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    You beat me to it. That's what a few of us were saying all along.
     
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  30. MrClean

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    That would be a bad decision. Of Starks, Soliai and Odrick, I'd say Starks is obviously the best player.
     
  31. MrClean

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    Ertz and Eifert are both rated higher this year than either Fleener or Allen were last year.
     
  32. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Very sensible analysis of the situation new person. :up:
    I like Ertz a little better, but would not be upset with either one. DJ has the notion that Eifert is significantly better than Ertz. I do not agree with that at all.
     
  33. MrClean

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    Maybe if Hartline is resigned, then Ireland may sign Avery and then look to the draft. Or if Jennings is signed and Hartline departs, Avery could be a 2nd UFA Wr signed. Still going after 1-2 early WRs.
    Definitely agree Eifert would be an overdraft at 12, but we won't take him over the superior TE in Ertz. Daniel Jeremiah has Ertz going 13th in his latest mock draft.
     
  34. MrClean

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    I disagree on any of those positions being weak. They may not be top heavy but they are all deep.
     
  35. LBsFinest

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    yup, four straight losing seasons and the head executive keeps his job, only other GM I could think of in recent memory who survived a stretch like that was Matt Millen lol.
     
  36. GridIronKing34

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    Vontae is a more dynamic cornerback, not a better cornerback IMO.

    He has all the tools but fails to use them to his full potential... just like when he was a rookie.
     
  37. ckparrothead

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    I think it's very arguable that Vontae is the better corner.
     
  38. djphinfan

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    I understand that your not gonna take a big cap hit if you fail on a pick, but I don't think it changes drafting philosophy too much unless we're talkin about a Qb..I say that because I'm the kind of guy if the guy is there that I have conviction about I'm taking him regardless of where I'm at, unless I know I can drop a bit and still get him..

    Eifert is tops on my board for offense, Cooper, lane johnson and Warmack are tempting, but a true weapon is needed..if the blue chip defenders are gone, he's the pick for me.
     
  39. Fin D

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    You're confusing what you'd do with what the NFL has done and is still doing somewhat.

    What you'd do is the way things are going to go and have started to. That's my point. You couldn't draft like that in the past, because of financial hits. As time goes on and GMs step outside of what they've traditionally done, they'll move towards your way of thinking.
     
  40. djphinfan

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    a bit confused, what is it that I couldn't of done in the past?, draft a player higher than what the consensus was saying?
     

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