<During the Ravens punt/safety> See for yourself. Terrible, just terrible. 4-5 seconds worth. Hate to see a game end this way. Chances of the Niners winning would've been remote, but they should've had their fair shot at a hail mary.
There was a worse holding on the other side of the punt formation. Probably wouldn't have mattered though and the power outage is really an embarrassment. That game would have been over had the power not gone out.
So you're saying a holding call (that would have resulted in a safety for the 49ers) would have made the 49 WRS better off than the Ravens giving them a safety? I'm confused. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
He thinks the clock would stop at the flag for some reason but in reality that's not in the rule so the play would of played out the same. It was beyond well coached they probably were told to hold since it couldn't hurt them.
So what? Holding called in the end zone is a safety. The play ended in a safety. Any hold that gets flagged does not stop the play immediately no matter where it takes place. Sure there was an obvious hold. The played ended in a safety anyway. End result was no different. When I saw your thread title I thought you'd be referring to the last offensive play by the 49ers where it appeared Jimmy Smith held Crabtree. But, Crabtree also pushed off. The worst non call in the game was the early non PI that should have been called on Culliver covering Torrey Smith deep along the right sideline.
IMO comes down to the holding call on Crabtree on 4th and goal, or non-holding call. When the ball is snapped at the 5 yard-line and defensive player is draped all over WR in end zone, not sure how that is not called giving 1st and goal at 1 yard line...holding call in end zone happened on punt, but would have essentially given a hail mary to try and win game which is low percentage.
flaco getting creamed while out of bounce and the oscar acting job on the running into the kicker on the missed fg were worse calls
Does any of what you both say change the fact the Niners got hosed on the play? If a guy gets held for 5 seconds and it directly influences a last chance hail mary, then the team got hosed. period.
All that does is highlights a flaw in the system and supports my point that San Fran got shanked on the play. Either way it's bull****.
The 49ers did not get hosed. The Ravens players were probably told to go ahead and hold in the end zone. Even if it gets flagged, the play is allowed to go on till it's finished. Then the penalty is sorted out. Very smart of the Ravens coaches if they told their blockers they were taking an intentional safety anyway, so it is ok to hold in the end zone.
The Ravens should get credit for taking advantage of the rules. They played that perfectly. And to be fair, you could pretty much go through any game and find things that should have been called. IIRC, Navarro Bowman got away with a big hold kn Roddy White to send SF to the SB.
So, do you suggest they change the rules so that as soon as a hold gets called in the end zone the refs should immediately whistle the play dead? That is never going to happen. What if the team committing the hold in the end zone turned over the ball with a fumble or int after the flag was thrown? Then it does not count because the refs had blown the whistle the instant they spotted holding in the end zone. The Ravens were smart to intentionally hold.
WADR it's a little different when a punter is allowed to sit in the corner of the endzone for 8 seconds b/c the opposing player in position to make a play is held for 5 seconds. Baltimore taking advantage of a loophole doesn't take away from San Fran getting hosed on the play. Committing a penalty shouldn't play to the advantage of the team committing the penalty. The current rules structure screwed the Niners plain and simple.
why are you emphasizing this so much while simultaneously avoiding any other 'hosing' going on, specifically to the other team during this game. Bias?
They didn't get hosed. John made his brother Jim look like a high school coach. I for one thought it was the best coaching move I've ever seen...it was ****ing brilliant.
No, not at all. Offenses should be encouraged to hold as long as they want w/o recourse. That's totally fair. Why do you need to be extreme about it? What's wrong with calling the safety and subsequently allowing the opposing team the choice between a 10 yard penalty enforced on the kickoff or the clock being reset to what it was at the start of the play <on the kickoff>?
Have a guy rush the punter from the cb position so he can't be held. But the niners didn't think to do that. Because John harbaugh is a god damn genius.
There's a difference between a bang bang play during the game and a blatant 5 second hold that directly prevents the other team from having one last shot.
of course it was brilliant. Why the heck wouldn't you take advantage of a major flaw in the rules system during the biggest game of the season.
Cool. Now care to discuss other bad calls and factors in this game that were actually meaningful and more blatantly impactful on the outcome?
So what did you want? San Fran to get slightly more time left on the clock? The game was over at that point.
There is no flaw. The niners got out coached. Their special teams coach should have prepared them to be held. Sent guys from the outside. Obviously the ravens were quite prepared. The niners probably had no idea what was happening. I guarantee you their coach had no idea that was going to happen. Again, ****ing brilliant. I was floored.
Back when Shula first took over the Dolphins, the team was punting from their own end zone with a similar lead late in the game. He had Larry Seiple do the same thing. Seiple had a little more room to work with and ran back and along the end line for as long as he could. When the defenders were closing in, he just stepped back out of the end zone. No one, especially the announcing crew expected it. They were both like WTF till the play ended, then realized the sheer genius of it.
Well they did. Running out the clock is a legitimate part of the game. Its no different then running the ball to keep the clock moving or taking a knee to run out the clock. Its also no less legitimate then a player intentionaly fouls somebody to prevent a score. Its football and complaining about it is just sour grapes.
So you believe a 5 second holding call should intentionally serve to benefit the offense committing the hold?
In your honest opinion, with all things considered, do you think the niners would have won without the 'hold'?. If your answer is yes, you're just bias and probably grumpy from the outcome, if you're answer is no, this entire thread is a waste of time. If you dance around the question then refer to yes. My official stance is the power outage was the only thigh that kept this from being a royal beatdown, so this is silly.
