I do agree that they don't like putting up with BS. However I think being a good teammate trumps bs as I said before, Chad Johnson wouldn't have been on a short leash or any leash if he was a bad teammate. He wouldn't have even had a chance to be a Dolphin.
He's made some awesome plays this year but he NEEDS to control the anger that causes him to take stupid penalties. I hope they keep him and work with him more.
pass on him ,!!!!!!!!!! trying to think who would want him , ? the bengals come to mind they seem to attract this sort of player , the raiders maybe , pats seem to give 2nd chances alot !!
I don't want him here. I respect him as a football player, but he's destructively immature. Philbin and Co. have been trying hard to build a strong locker room, and they're not going to throw that all away when adults like Jennings, Bowe, Wallace, and Welker could be had.
If you claim him on waivers you pick up his $500,000 contract, which is nothing. I'd probably take a chance. If he's a problem, cut him in training camp. The risk aversion has to end at some point for us to move forward. Young is undeniably talented with issues. He also comes very cheap. If our program is so great, then we should be able to keep one guy in line. I understand Detroit couldn;t do it because they are an undisciplined organization from the top down, starting with Schwartz. But we are supposedly different
If you're too much of a headcase for the Lions, you assuredly are not the type of player Joe Philbin wants.
Then Joe Philbin is looking for an ideal that doesn't really exist. When you are dealing with 53 guys, you are going to have to be able to handle some guys with issues. If Philbin isn't willing, or is unable to do that, then he is unsuited for being a head coach and won't last very long. I'm not saying that Young is the guy to build around but you can et a player with unquestionable talent who comes very cheaply. Might he be a ehadache? Absolutely. Will he be such a headache that his talent doens't save him at the end of training camp ? Possibly. But let's give it a shot. We need to eventually put a guy through our program and see if they change. Last year we got rid of two very talented players for no other reason then they exhibit some personality trait that Philbin didn't like. Marshall didn;t even get a chance in the program, and Vontae lasted through half the exhibition season. And both those guys helped their new teams.
No, the ideal exists plenty. Titus Young being cut is a prime example. You don't win with guys like Titus Young. He literally admitted to sabotaging his own team. And he isn't really comparable to Marshall or Davis. Marshall was nowhere near as bad as Young is. Davis was really only traded because the Dolphins were offered what they thought to be great value for him.
Easy NO for me. I can't remember ANY player ever admitting to deliberately doing things on the field that he knew was wrong just to get back at the team.
So then why did we trade those guys? I suppose someone could offer us great value for Wake too, but we're unlikely to trade him. The point being, that there is no team in the NFL that doesn't have at least one player with some kind of issues. The strong organizations manage those problems if the player is talented enough. Again, I'm not saying titus Young is the litmus test, but you are going to have tot ake a chance on some questionable guys sometimes in order to get the most talent.
Brandon Marshall had plenty of meltdowns in Denver which included, among other things, leading an altercation in a nightclub that ended with the murder of his friend and teammate, refusing to practice and punting the football in the direction of his coaches.
Marshall was traded because he has a mental illness, and has had issues getting a long with coaches and teammates. Davis was traded because he isn't worth a 2nd round pick, and they were offered that much. What would constitute great value for Wake? It would have to be quite the bounty. If someone offered 2 firsts for Wake, Miami should take that IMO. Right, but Titus Young isn't really questionable. He's a certified bum. I don't disagree that sometimes you have to take a chance, but it doesn't really seem like there is a chance his character changes. We aren't talking about an isolated incident or two. This really is a pattern of behavior.
Like I said before Titus Young is currently in mid-squander on his 1st chance and heading toward his 2nd chance. I don't think it will be until the man gets to like his 4th chance before he starts cleaning his act up. He needs to hit rock bottom. He clearly hasn't.
Exactly. Bringing in Titus Young right now will be a waste of time because he will just mess up again. Phiblin isn't looking for an ideal that doesn't exist. Heck even on the Lions they have Calvin Johnson who is an amazing receiver and not a crazy diva. The Packers have a bunch of good to great wide receivers who are not crazy or hurt the team. If Titus Young accidently killed someone I would be for giving him a second chance. However what he did do was worse in a football stand point. He purposly hurt his team because they think that Calvin Johnson is a better wide receiver than him. Let that sink in. He is upset because he believes he is better than Calvin Johnson, and to prove that he whined, threw fits, punched players, and purposly played bad in games to prove his point.
That's a very unfair comparison... for T.O. I'd put him more on his 3rd chance right now, but the point still stands. His second chance was being given the opportunity to play, after being BANNED FROM TEAM FACILITIES, and he decided to rectify this... by lining up incorrectly, on purpose, to send a message that he should be getting the ball. This is a player that has openly stated he feels he's at the very least on par with Calvin Johnson as a receiver.
So Young sucker punches one of his own teammates in practice (Delmas) and early in the season gets an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty against these very Rams for headbutting Janoris Jenkins and they still claim him? Can't say that Fisher doesn't know what he's getting himself into.
Fisher obviously believes his program is strong enough to handle the guy. And if he ends up being wrong it cost virtually nothing. Good move for the Rams
If he scores a lot of TDs Fisher will be called a Genius. If he causes trouble, they will dump him. This was a no brainer claiming this kid.
Because you do not have to get down to 53 players until next September ? This kid can be good. He is young, so I guess we just toss him in the garbage because he has made a few bad decisions. Yep, thats the way to handle things.
I completely disagree. This is a violent sport. There are some mean SOBs that play in the NFL. No kid is not worth giving another chance, especially when the kid has the talent this kid has. You cannot have a team full of choir boys and clean living individuals, thats a pipe dream. Steve Spagnulo tried that in St. Louis and in two years he won 3 games and got his carcass booted out of town. You want choir boys and squeeky clean players then you had better stay in Pop Warner football. Not saying Jeff Fisher is a genius but any team that was there would be a no brainer to claim him. Indy has plenty of decent receivers. St. Louis has less receivers then we do. No risk, no reward. Great business was not built on nothing but something that is a sure thing.
Yeah the Dolphins don't risk anything. Sigh. Philbin was a risk. Tannehill was a risk and a big one. Having this many guys with contracts up is a risk Letting go of Marshall was a risk Letting go of Vontae was a risk Starting Martin was a risk Bringing in CJ was a risk Every effing draft pick is a risk Every FA is a risk The Dolphins take risks. Lets just stop using phrases we hear and applying them incorrectly when describing virtually any player not on the Dolphins right now. More times than not, taking a player that doesn't give two ****s is a dumb move.
This kid is not a bad football player. In college he had 204 receptions for over 3,000 yards and 25 touchdowns. As far as violence goes the " crazy " part comes from him getting into fights. We took a chance on a similar player that had " crazy " attached to him and all he did was become a Pro Bowl player and a solid part of our Oline. Like I said, to each his own. This kid costs nothing and is being given a chance and like I said, if it all works out thats great. I am sure the Rams will know whats going on far before they have to make the final cuts down to the 53 man roster. I would have no problem if we had claimed him, none at all. Sometimes people just need a change. I would rather take a chance on a kid with talent then on a choir boy like Egnew who has about as much NFL talent as a sponge.
Good football players line up correctly and are not cut by the Lions for being bad football players. Incognito is completely different. Incognito was crazy for helping his team a little too much. Young sabaotaged his team. What about Choir boys like Randy Stark or Paul Solia or Rashad Jones or any of the other good football players who don't purposly hurt their own team because they don't get their way?
Anyone who ever uttered the phrase "T.O. is a cancer" should not even be giving this kid a glance. In just 2 brief seasons, he makes T.O. look like a saint.
If he cleared waivers I'd agree. But the Rams are now on the hook for his rookie deal and have no more leverage than the Lions did. If he couldn't take a back seat to Megatron what's he gonna say about Amendola?
