Free Agency Thread? Free Agency Thread.

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  1. slickj101

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    Finley's contract: $4.5 this year plus a $3.5 bonus in March

    F*** that.
     
  2. CANDolphan

    CANDolphan Well-Known Member

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    Man, as much as I know about the NFL and the off-season process, I simply forgot this! Thank you for pointing that out! Now comee onnnnn Finley!
     
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  4. Rhody Phins Fan

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    I think that would be a good fit for him. They love to pass and need someone with his ability. They already have Leshoure as the tough inside runner.
     
  5. Fin-Omenal

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    Man I really will miss Reggie, he was a hard worker and a harder runner than I ever imagined 3 years ago.
     
  6. dolfan32323

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    Agreed. I thought he was great for us and always gave 110%. Really enjoyed his time here if it is actually over.
     
  7. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Some thoughts on two free agent corners:

    Cary Williams - This guy is a good corner. He can be physically aggressive in his coverage, bordering on pass interference but in ways that challenge receivers and erase them on the play. His hips are sound, his speed is sound, his technique is consistent. The problem? How does a guy this good have as many screw ups as he does? He almost single handedly lost the Ravens the Super Bowl. He made some plays in the game, don't get me wrong. He broke up a pass intended for Ted Ginn. He broke up another pass intended for Randy Moss although it should be noted he was beaten on that play and the only reason it wasn't a completion was because Kaepernick inexplicably double-clutched before throwing which allowed Cary to get back into the play. But when Michael Crabtree caught a pass shy of the end zone and then broke two would-be tacklers to run to paydirt? That was Cary Williams. He had him dead to rights, went low and just fell off the tackle. Touchdown. In the biggest game of your career. And when Colin Kaepernick scrambled 15 yards for a touchdown during the 49ers comeback? Cary Williams. It wasn't that he had his back turned to the quarterback and couldn't see the play happening, he was just late and lax coming off his receiver and coming down to contain the scrambling QB. And finally, when the 49ers were 5 yards shy of the go-ahead score, Cary Williams takes a bad step off the snap in man coverage with Randy Moss, allows a free release to the inside, and Moss has Williams beaten soundly on a drag route running across the back of the end zone. Kaepernick never saw him but if he did the 49ers win that game. I understand everyone gives up plays...but these were big plays in the biggest game. And with the exception of interceptions (6, including 2 in the playoffs), his coverage stats are arguably worse than Sean Smith's. Allowing 8.3 yards per attempt isn't great, nor is allowing 64.4 percent of attempts to be completed on you. He and Sean Smith have allowed the most 1st downs in coverage, if I'm not mistaken. PFF has his yards per coverage snap at 8th highest out of 77 qualifying corners. But looking at the raw skills you really come to respect them a lot more than the statistics suggest you should. He's able to stay with receivers in man coverage very well, shows quick hips and doesn't need to round off in order to stay with guys, very physical player, can find the ball and make plays on it. Very much a conundrum. You get the feeling that in a different system his production numbers would be better.

    Antoine Cason - As I wrote in another thread...Cason is a "system" player. He's a perfect complementary player in a "bend don't break" oriented defense. His technique is sound, he doesn't tend to have big screwups. The only problem is he's not nearly aggressive enough. If you catch him in the right coverage, you can dink and dunk him all day. He's not physically aggressive with receivers nor does he see things quickly enough to break on the football and make big plays. If you're not careful with your execution, he has the ball skills to take advantage of botched plays...but that doesn't mean he's a guy that will get you consistent takeaways. You really don't want to pay an Antoine Cason a lot of money. He's a guy you look at because Sean Smith is asking too much money and you'd rather pay someone $5 million a year in order to get a player that's worth about $4 million, rather than pay $9 million a year for someone worth closer to $6 million.
     
  8. unifiedtheory

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    I still don't understand why people are interested in him. Everytime I watch the Packers he drops a pass, every damn time. Yes, he is a seam buster but he is totally unreliable.
     
  9. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Nobody likes dropped passes but I think people overrate how important drops are.

    Jimmy Graham is consistently hailed as one of the best tight ends in football, and held up as a shining example of a draft mistake by the Dolphins in passing on him. His drop percentage this year was almost twice that of Jermichael Finley's. I don't see much of anything around here but praise for Aaron Hernandez, with the Patriots often used as the example of you should set up your tight end position. His drop percentage this year was higher than Finley's. Brandon Pettigrew's was higher, Brent Celek and Jermaine Gresham's nearly as high. Rob Gronkowski was off Finley's drop pace by only 2 drops this year.

    I just remember drops being consistently used as the reason why the Dolphins should not look to trade for James Jones. And I also remember them being consistently cited for why trading Brandon Marshall away was no big deal even from a football standpoint. Well, 26 touchdowns later...
     
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  10. slickj101

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    There's a difference between drops and dropped TDs. If Marshall didn't drop so many of the latter while he was here it wouldn't been as big a deal.
     
  11. ckparrothead

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    Here's Mike Goodson from 2012.

    [video=youtube;9Hwww0lGFyE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hwww0lGFyE[/video]
     
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  12. VanDolPhan

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    I don't know if anyone has noticed and this still doesn't account for re-signings and franchise tags. But have you guys noticed an astounding # of tackles that are free agents at the moment. Guys that PFF have rated very highly.

    Andre Smith
    Branden Albert
    Gosder Cherilus
    Jake Long
    Jeremy Trueblood
    Jermon Bushrod
    Khalif Barnes
    King Dunlap
    Max Starks
    Phil Loadholt
    Ryan Clady
    Sam Baker
    Sebastian Vollmer
    Will Beatty

    And I'm probably missing a guy or 2. Tags and re-signings...............there's going to still be some quality guys out there.
     
  13. ckparrothead

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    Old news but evidently Hartline is demanding a small increase on the deal given to Laurent Robinson. 5 years, $33 million.

    Buh bye.
     
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  14. VanDolPhan

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    Indeed. Smart move to use that contract also. Remind teams of how much a bust that contract was. Smart.
     
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  15. ckparrothead

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    Well for what it's worth there's no evidence he or his agent are out there using Laurent Robinson's contract by name. The demand is 5 years, $33 million. It just so happens that last off season Laurent Robinson got a 5 year, $32.5 million deal from Jacksonville.
     
  16. VanDolPhan

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    Honestly I would rather we focus our FA money on that glut of tackles....a lower cost risk CB.....and then hopefully Jennings at a solid price. Then draft.
     
  17. ToddPhin

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  18. CANDolphan

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    Man, well, it was nice knowing you Hartline. Loved having you.
     
  19. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Someone remind Hartline that while they are both 1 year wonders....that at least Robinson scored 11tds.
     
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    He'll come close to getting that as well.

    Lots of factors going in his favor, age, games played, no divaness etc

    But then again, was laughed at when I said it would not surprise me if Hartline made the pro bowl..but whadda I know
     
  21. marshallfin1

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    guy scores 1 td all season thinks hes worth 7-8 mil a season? lmao!!!!!!!!!!! if ireland goes over 3 mil he is a gettin ripped off. Hartline is easily replaceable, release him.
     
  22. Anonymous

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    Old news? This is the first I've heard of this. Do you have a link?
     
  23. ckparrothead

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    http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football

     
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  24. Anonymous

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    Go get'em Brian. :)
     
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  25. ToddPhin

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    you mean the "5 years" part? :shifty:

    No kidding, Pods. That's like mentioning Urkel didn't have a playboy mentality. Perhaps if they scored more...... just sayin. :p

    :dunno:, he didn't make the Pro Bowl.
     
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  26. VanDolPhan

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    Hartline can be the latest Jags bust signing at WR.
     
  27. Anonymous

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    He did, as a pro bowl alternate.
     
  28. marshallfin1

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    Probowl alternate? whats that even mean, your either in or out, period. Hes out. If you think hartline is worthy of a probowl spot you are on a wild roller coaster ride that doesnt exist in the real world. Listen do i like hartline? yes i do, do i think hes an awesome #2 and a great teammate? absolutely, do i want him on my team at the end of the day for a fair price for both sides, yes, but theres where it stops, hes not a probowler, hes not worth half as much money as hes demanding, and he is easily replaceable which pretty much solifies the idea of him being a probowler, probowlers are not easily replaceable, period. Now this is just my opinion, some ppl see it different which i respect.
     
  29. ToddPhin

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    so he was an alternate, not a Pro Bowler.
    Wikipedia has spoken. :whistling:


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  30. Anonymous

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    I consider a Pro Bowl alternate worthy of being called a Pro Bowler. Alternate positions aren't just given to random players. They're given to players who are believed to be Pro Bowl caliber.

    Now, if you want to argue that the Pro Bowl isn't an indication of anything, I would agree.
     
  31. Anonymous

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    Single Game receiving record with 253 yards. Impressive. Not even Calvin Johnson's career high can match up with that.
     
  32. ToddPhin

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    I'd argue the only players worthy of being called Pro Bowlers are the ones who either made the initial team or actually hopped the puddle jumper to Hawaii and suited up.
     
  33. Anonymous

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    Unless one of those players was Brian Hartline, right?
     
  34. ToddPhin

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    of course not. Defenses actually care about Calvin's presence.
    It is impressive though; impressive that one game accounted for nearly 1/4 of his season's yardage.
    Let me know when Wiki adds his "Miami Dolphins single game and single season receiving TDs" to the career highlights list. Better yet, let me know when Wiki updates his new team. :p
     
  35. jdang307

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    If they were pro bowl caliber they'd be a Pro Bowler. That's usually how that works . :D Usually.

    Pro bowls don't hold any weight with me. Their performances can be judged without Pro Bowl being one of the checkmarks. Hartline's good. You don't build a corps around him. But he's a good piece to have.
     
  36. ToddPhin

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    No, if he had played in the game he's a Pro Bowler. If he had made the initial team he's a Pro Bowler.
     
  37. Anonymous

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    Ha, I almost forgot teams left Hartline wide open every play. Unlike the other receivers in the NFL who are covered by 11 guys every play, like Calvin Johnson.
     
  38. Anonymous

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    He was voted in as an alternate. PRO BOWL Alternate. The word Pro Bowl is thrown in there for a reason.
     
  39. ToddPhin

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    There's an asterisk to that IMO. He's a good piece to have as a 4th round pick still in his inexpensive rookie contract. He's not necessarily a good piece at a more expensive contract. The exception would be if the team is lacking a quality possession receiver and isn't already paying a lot to the receiving corps.
     
  40. ToddPhin

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    yup, you're right- Hartline gets bracketed like all the top receivers, which seems plausible on the surface when catching 1 TD per year. :shifty:
     

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