Tier 2 WRs: Wheaton, Williams, Patton, and Hunter, A Metrics Breakdown

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Which tier is Robert woods in?

 

Er, I don't think he can hear you.

 

Heh.

 

Lol, what does that mean Ck?

 

I thought it was a funny comment. I know you were seriously asking a question but I just found it funny. To me, Robert Woods was excluded from this tier simply because he doesn't belong in it.

 

you have him as a third tier guy, third round?

 

I think 3rd may be too high for him.

 

Wow..gonna keep watching, I've seen a lot, but maybe I'm missing something here..

 

When it comes to Robert Woods, I'm matching him up with our scheme principles and its just a nice fit, there is deception and quickness in his shoulders that is imperative in great route runners, very little wasted movement with great subtlety when running routes..Takes every route seriously and runs them with precision and feel, I believe he's a 2nd round pick..

 

I think Woods is a second round pick as well. He does the best he has given what he has to play with.

 

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Thereabouts. Maybe lower.

 

Robert Woods's "fall" has been interesting to me. There was a time when people thought he was going to be a 1st round pick. I haven't watched him a ton, but I thought he was a pretty decent WR, maybe nothing specia, but not just "another guy"l. He's obviously overshadowed by Lee and coincidentally that's when it seems like his stock started to fall. I'm curious what the concerns are with him, and why some don't feel he is even worthy of a 2nd round pick?

 

Well I'm sure your time is filled with important things sir, I have some luxuries from my work that allows me a lot of free time for my only hobby...the Miami dolphins..

 

you worried about his strength and body at the next level?

 

My early read on him as a freshman (which is when people last thought of him as a high 1st round pick) was that he was unusually well developed and fundamentally consistent player for his extremely young age, and he's got a good quarterback throwing to him so he's very productive, but that as we get on other players he's competing with will catch up technique and consistency wise and he'll sink. That's pretty much exactly what has happened.

I don't think his hands are that great, and I think he's a little more tight in his running than you want. I don't know that he creates much separation at the next level.

As for the statement "not even worth a 2nd round" pick...one thing to keep in mind is nobody wakes up and rolls out of bed into a 2nd round pick. Nobody is owed it. There are a ton of other players out there all vying for that kind of lofty draft status. I really try not take the negative position on draft picks about why a guy isn't even worth this pick. It happens, but I try to keep things in a positive affirmative way of thinking. You've got to prove to me why you're worth a top 60 pick in the NFL Draft...and you have to do a lot to prove that. I don't think Woods has done enough.

 

Not worried but he's not shown me that he's got anything special going on there. Nor has he shown me he's got special hands. He runs tight, a little straight line-ish, not quick. Not especially fast IMO.

 

Okay look, I always felt Woods was overrated as a first rounder, but to say the 3rd is too high for Robert Woods is going too far, IMO.

 

When I say "not even a 2nd round pick anymore" I mean that in regards to where he was expected to go previously as he was considered the next big thing by many as a freshman and a 2nd rounder during this past season.

 

I disagree about him not having done enough when you consider his consistency and the caliber of competition he's done it against. Certainly not worthy of top ten, not 1st round, nor even top of the second, but he is worth a late second once guys like Terrance Williams are off the board.

You can't punish him for being a good system player, because that's what some teams are looking for.

 

I think it may be, I didn't say it certainly was too high. I'd need to see a good combine to think he was worth a 3rd personally.

 

You can punish him for not being a play maker. That's what teams are looking for, guys that will make plays. I don't know that he makes plays at the next level.

 

Sounds like the Miami Dolphins ideal WR.

 

That's interesting, I think he is a system player, I see us being the right system for his skillset, I think his route running and deception is at a high level already, but I see where your coming from, I'm just hesitant on giving certain things up for other certain things..

 

But playmakers like Clyde Gates can't contribute either if what they have is more a measurable like speed than a consistent technical skill.

There's a balance, right? I can see Woods going in the late second and helping a team. You're right that he's not a guy I expect to see in a Pro Bowl though.

We are biased because we are sick if guys who don't offer explosive plays. But for teams without a Bess, a guy like Woods is appealing.

 

Personally I think when you look across the league most of the mediocre guys are still play makers. They make people miss, break tackles, flash speed, make crazy catches, etc. They just don't do it consistently enough to be considered elite. The guys that are jacks of all master of none...they're the Legedu Naanees, and they're below mediocre, even if they are consistent within the system.

 

By the way, I don't want Woods.

I want more of a playmaker. But that's because we are tired of the Hartline/Bess types.

I don't agree that Woods has 4th round value. He has second round value to a team looking to bring in a receiver ready to run pro routes, and use good technique. He has a lower ceiling but his floor is NOT fourth round.

Woods would be a great addition to a team like the Jets, who desperately need a reliable body at WR to complement Hill's star potential.

 

you have split personalities now?

 

Ck I haven't watched him play. How does he compare to Hartline? They are different players I know but how talented is he? If he's less talented than Hartline then I don't think we need to even be speaking about him.

 

I gave Barry permission to speak for me.

 

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for we are legion. and we are one.

 

It might be a good comparison in the type of player he will be, although I think he's got better RAC skills than Hartline. Better RAC skills but not as much skill at working the sideline.