I will say this, "if" Harvin is a personality problem, it is up to the Staff to make it work. I'm a touch tired of passing on talent b/c the Staff cannot handle them, but to me his issue is more health and ability to get on the field.
What would everyone be willing to give up for Harvin? I wouldn't do anything more than the 3rd we got from Chicago. I doubt that would be enought to get him though.
How many times has Percy Harvin been in trouble with the law? And Brandon Marshall? Its not the same. Marshall has been in serious trouble multiple times whether its domestic violence or being in the wrong place where his teammate gets killed. percy Harvin argues with some coaches who, at least in the case of Brad Childress suck anyway, and in another case complains he wants the ball more (what WR doesnt?). Nowhere near like cases. And not for nothing Harvin is a hell of a lot more versatile then Marshall. Id love to see what harvin could do with a real QB.
CK he could be a serial killler and half these guys would still trade a 1st for him. Character issues mean nothing to these guys except for what happens on game day. I mean seriously they glossed right over your: A headcase is a headcase is a headcase.
And? I say that half in jest, the reality in the NFL is the pampered athlete, to pretend that does not exist is just not reality
Just what we do NOT need, another diva at WR who doesn't live up to expectations and causes cancer in the locker room. No thanks.
If Harvin was available in the draft this year where does he go? IMO he's Tavon Austin on steroids. i'd spend one of our 2s on him in a heartbeat if he'd agree to a reasonable extension beforehand.
If Minnesota is willing to let go of a player of his caliber, that just sends red flags up all over the place to me. Love to have a player like that, but I'll pass. We have a young team, I don't need trouble creeping in the locker room.
Given the state of this draft class Id put him above Cordarrelle Patterson and Terrence Williams who are imo tied for the best wr right now for the top spot. If it came down to it, the asking price would depend on how motivated Minnesota was to actually more him. A 2 is fair but if Minny actually needs to be impressed with an offer and wants a 1st Id offer them our 1st for Harvin and their 1st or just take the later of our 2 2nd's.
Is there evidence he threw a weight slab at Childress? Huge difference between throwing it at his head, vs. throwing it the opposite direction.
To be fair Minnesota doesnt exactly have a ton of cap space like we have. Allen and Peterson alone account for almost 30 million of their cap space. Leslie Frazier is a young coach (and a fairly good one) but hes never won in the NFL either as a HC or an assistant. Joe Philbin is a little older but he did take home a ring as an assistant. It does carry weight. I think a change of scenery and getting him in a different environment will do him a lot of good.
Randy Moss caused a lot of problems for the Vikings too. But he caused a lot more for their opponents and Id be happy to have him. I wouldn't give up 2 2s and a top end contract like we did for Marshall but for a 2 or 3, and 4-6 million? Sheeeeeit. Just have him lift weights by himself.
Perhaps he could try to pick up Fin-O's sister on a daily basis. That's a double entendre.... cause she's a big lesbo.
Since when did that become the end-all be-all measure of whether a man is destructive to the locker room? Not the same? He threw a freaking weight slab at his Head Coach. You're right. He's not the same as Brandon Marshall. He's worse.
yes, but do you know what weight denomination it was? A 2.5 pound plate is much less forgivable than a 45 IMO. .....and was the weight rubber-coated? I think this should be verified first before rushing to any harsh judgements.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ayers-who-undermined-the-program-under-meyer/ I didn't realize that Harvin was such a problem. I'd rather Miami not trade for him. These types of players tend to wear out their welcome *cough* Brandon Marshall *cough*
I'm not going to sit here and say that it would be wrong to grab a troubled but talented player. Many teams have done it. Many have succeeded doing it. But I am going to sit here and say that it's hypocritical and contradictory to justify the Brandon Marshall trade on the basis of his being a headache and then talk up the merits of a Percy Harvin trade. That's all.
Report: Vikings looking to trade Harvin You realize if you could not find that quote, we would have to pretend what you were saying was untrue and bury our heads in the sand. Those are the rules. Lucky for you that you could prove it with a real link.
Report: Vikings looking to trade Harvin Also, was he aiming at something else and just continuing his workout as he argued with Childress. Where is the proof of his intentions? Maybe he was tossing a medicine ball towards the wall as he argued and Childress danced into its path. Not to mention whether Childress' Charlston, which the local gals describe as not-up-to-snuff, provoked Percy. This is not nearly so simple as vilifying and innocent angry man.
good point. Nothing worse than playing ring-toss with the 10's and some unaware old man walks in front of you.
So let's tally it up here. 1. He failed drug tests 2. He quit during a conditioning drill at Florida 3. He choked out his wide receivers coach at Florida 4. He got into heated exchanges with Brad Childress in front of everyone 5. He hurled a weight slab at Childress for suggesting he get an MRI on his injured ankle 6. He publicly requested a trade from Minnesota this off season because something upset him 7. He was seen on national television jawing at Leslie Frazier, a reputed player's coach, during a game 8. He got into another heated exchange with Frazier later that year in front of players and staff The funny thing is I'm sure this isn't even a tenth of what he's done. Hell, back in high school he wasn't even allowed to finish out the season because of character issues. This is even worse than Brandon Marshall. Again, maybe you like to take chances on these guys. Could pay off. But don't sit here and seriously try and say that Brandon Marshall and Percy Harvin are different to where getting rid of Marshall was clearly the right thing to do and acquiring Percy is also the right thing to do.
I doubt it. Urban Meyer was not out there giving endorsements to Percy. Urban is friends with Belichick. I'm sure Belichick knows better than any coach outside Minnesota what it's like to try and deal with Percy's World.
What? On what planet is throwing a weight at your HC worse then starting a fight with gang members where your teammate and friend gets shot? If you really think that, I cant help you. Ok so rap sheet for rap sheet: http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4675509/a-timeline-of-marshall’s-off-field-problems Talk to me about rap sheets now. If Brandon Marshall wasnt a pro football player, he'd probably have done time at least 2x with that kind of rap sheet. And you defend him like hes baby jesus. Im not going to sit here and tell you or anyone else Harvin is a choirboy. He's not. Hes a douche to a degree. But not a criminal. That means hes worth a second chance. Marshall is on his 3rd chance and we're always t-minus 10 seconds til combustion. I will say that Brad Childress is also a douche (to refute #4 on your list) and that in response to #6 he only requested a trade from Minnesota after they said they wouldnt re-do his contract, something you know is typically done when players outperform their deals. They didnt even say we'll think about it in mid-season or maybe after this year, they just said no.
True but he does have a penchant for bringing in ******s with high ceilings. That and NE would be the absolute worse case scenario for us so it seems likely.
Are we really arguing over who the bigger douche is? Sign Greg Jennings....draft another WR high in round 2. Hell draft another late even. Lets remodel the whole core. Buts lets not count on a migraine to go away and be stuck in 2 years starting all over on WR again.
And yet you want to sign Greg Jennings who for all his high character will have 1-2 good years as a #1 left in him (if that) and then you'll be stuck looking for a #1 all over again.
True, but are you that confident in Wallace to overpay him or pay slightly less for Bowe? I really can't wait to see how that all unravels. If we're swinging for the fences I say Wallace. Bowe and Jennings is a tossup depending on the difference in money for me.
Why would that be the case? Getting GJ does not in anyway mean we won't draft a few WRs between now and then. Point being, no one would think GJ locks up #1 WR long term. Oh and Harvin and Marshall can eff off.
The more I watch tape of this past season the more confident I am that Bowe and Walalce are clearly better players at this point then Greg Jennings. Jennings may be a better system fit but hes lost more then a step imo. And RE: Wallace....Im not sure hes a true #1 in that he doesnt catch 10 passes a game like a Megatron or an Andre Johnson type but his skillset is so unique to the point taht I think hes worth the extra 2-3M per he will probably receiver over Jennings.
Fair point but youre probably giving him 8M per to come here which is #1 WR money so he should be solving it at least for a year or two and Im not sure he does that.
You can't be sure anyone does. GJ may get injured. Bowe may not fall in line (and may get injured too). Wallace may not be able to run routes (and may get injured too). They are all flawed, that's why they are FAs/available/tradable. GJ we know for a fact can play at a ridiculous level in this offense. His injury concerns are what...10-15% greater than any other guys chances? That's nothing compared to the guaranteed knowledge and skill you're getting.
He doesn't need to be a "#1" for what he'd do to the offense. People get too concerned w his volume and not the effects of just having him on the field, imo. Wallace and Miller would be scary for defenses. My hope would be that we pair him w a TE like Myers, Bennett, Keller, Walker etc and develop a few more WRs. Do that and we'd be set for quite a while on paper.
