I like Dwayne Bowe. When I watch him play I get excited by what I see. Problem is he's got the same reputation for being a douche and not a hard worker as some of these other guys like Percy Harvin. It's not nearly as bad as Percy of course. But it's still there, and it makes me wonder if that will turn the Dolphins off. On the other hand when I watch coaches tape of Mike Wallace...I'm just not in love with what I see.
Jennings is a stop gap while we groom our draft picks. Isn't a headcase and costs no pick. Would you really want our WRs learning from Harvin?
The Dolphins' best bet IMO is to accumulate assets at that position so that Ryan Tannehill has a versatile and talented crowd to throw to. I don't know if you can do that by investing too much in one guy. Greg Jennings makes sense to me because he's plug and play and he's likely only going to get a little bit more than what Brian Hartline is asking for. He's a better player. As for the age thing, I don't see the Baltimore Ravens expressing any regrets over signing a 30 year old Anquan Boldin to a free agent contract.
Yah I have no problem with Jennings...doubling down on WR and TE. Spend like mad and get some weapons in here.
No, Greg Jennings played at a great level in this offense 2 years ago. The last year and a half have been VERY subpar and I wonder how well he will do without Cobb, Nelson, Finely and Jones in his supporting cast. Keep in mind 3 other wr's have stepped in Jennings shoes in the last 2 years and put up outstanding numbers. How much is QB related? How much is from the awesome talent they have in green bay. He comes here and hes getting double coverage every play unless we add a hell of a lot more then just him. Youre paying a guy that kind of money to be a stop gap? You can get a stop gap for half that. Hell, Brian Hartline was/is a stopgap. We all know Harvin isnt a guy you learn from. If you got him with jennings Id be ok with that. If you got him with Bowe or Wallace Id probably wet myself. Ideally I want Bowe and Wallace but being realistic Id settle for one and take Jennings as my 2...or even Hartline as my 2 and then draft Terrrence Williams or Bailey or Patterson or Keenan Allen in round 2 (in that order probably)
I don't see realism in those scenarios. Bowe will get franchised IMO. New staff and all. Wallace will get monster money from some team....and we will have to compete hard to land Jennings. That is far more realistic. I just hope we draft a WR high 2nd and double down. Want a DE in the first.
Then they will get 25 TDs out of him over a season and a half and trade him the day after he spits in the team lunch ladies face for serving him the wrong soup. They will get a third rounder.
You sign Jennings, and then double up in the draft at receiver. Head into the season with Jennings, Hartline, Bess, Matthews and the rookies.
Jennings is a substitute for Hartline, IMO. You don't pay Greg Jennings $7.5 million and pay Brian Hartline $6.5 million. Especially as you're already paying Davone Bess around $4 million. With all that money invested, you even admit they've still got to double up on two more guys in the Draft...which to me is an admission that you're paying between 1/6th and 1/7th of your entire salary cap structure for a unit that still isn't near good enough.
We'll see what Hartline's actually signs for. I definitely disagree with the unit not being near good enough. I would be more than content with that group.
So he threw a weight at his coach (assault with a deadly weapon) and choked another coach (attempted murder?). And nothing, and I mean nothing, significant was done to him? If the stories are true, what a joke the Vikings are. I'm not saying Harvin's reputation is undeserved, I'm saying, whoa on this assault with a deadly weapon stuff.
Well, for the record, I was never for trading Brandon Marshall. So for the right price, I'd gamble on Percy Harvin. Unless you're speaking of Jeff Ireland/Dolphins management, then you have a point, probably. Either way though, Percy was a player of interest in 09 for Miami. 4 years later, with a proven history of success, I could see them being interested again.
I don't agree that Marshall and Harvin are synonymous situations. IMO Marshall was a poor fit for what Philbin wanted while Harvin would fit well. That being said, I don't believe they will go after him. I think the head case issues are too big with him. I see it as more likely that they pursue Tavon Austin in the draft.
I don't think anyone that wants GJ over the other FA Wrs will be happy with just GJ and not drafting a WR or two high. Personally, I want GJ and a combo of Hopkins/Bailey or Bailey/Patton.
i said the same 2 pages earlier , and Belichick was still after him in the draft!! when has Belichick shied away ever from troubled players??? the list is endless!!! who he has turned around! so i have no belief he will with this one !!!!!! and he suits them perfectly imo
I don't mind signing Hartline and Jennings b/c I see Hartline as the WR RT had the best chemistry with. I see value in giving RT that continuity along with another better WR that should be pretty close to plug and play. I also see Bess as most likely a one year deal anyways as I hope that whomever we draft is good enough to supplant him and allow the team to let Bess leave next year. If the Dolphins don't go WR in the first, I could see Austin dropping to their 2a pick. I wouldn't be disappointed at all if the team passed on Allen and Patterson in the first to take a pass rusher or Vacarro and then took Austin and Bailey with their two second round picks. Coupled with the signing of Jennings and Hartline and with Matthews and Bess, I'd be happy with the potential of that group next season and going forward. There wouldn't be a ton of size there, but otherwise all good WRs. And I would hope to add a FA TE that was a receiving threat as well that would provide a big target for RT. I think Matthews and Bailey (my favorite WR in this draft) have the talent to potentially develop into #1 WRs. And I see Austin as potentially developing into another Harvin w/o the diva issues. But young WRs take time to develop and even more so in this offense that asks them to make so many reads that even vets had trouble getting on the field. I think any FA WRs other than Hartline and Jennings may come in here and struggle. I could envision a scenario where RT and other WRs are simply not on the same page for the first half of the season. RT will look like he's regressed as that leads to more incompletions/interceptions and just as few TDs/wins. The fans will blame him and things will get ugly quick. I'd rather avoid that.
Then why are you still drafting two of them? You have 1/6th of your salary cap devoted to the wide receivers unit and yet you still feel the need to use valuable draft resources on the position. That doesn't strike you as a de facto admission that the unit still isn't up to snuff even after you've spent all that money?
As Armando speculated this morning, I have to believe the Dolphins will be motivated to make a splash given the refferendum on stadium imporvements coming up. If you can get people excited, then they might be more inclined to vote your way. And you'd still be helping the team. That 4200 million vote is far more important to the franchise than Joe Philbin's principles
I'd be all for signing Greg Jennings and drafting Cordarrelle Patterson. Maybe you add another mid-rounder like Marquise Goodwin to round things out.
I would. Id love to see what Ginn would do with a coaching staff like what we have now. No doubt about it.
I agree with that but it won't be Percy Harvin. Much more likely Mike Wallace, if their appetite for splash is high enough to get them off the idea of Jennings.
I see your point but hell, we took a chance on a dynamic player, decided it wasn't working and let him go. Does that mean we shouldn't ever take a risk again? I'd say no. Especially if the compensation is reasonable. The Pats swung and missed on Haynesworth and Ocho, but they hit big on Moss. Talib seemed to play well for them also. Every situation is different so I don't see how what happened with BM would disqualify us from acquiring Harvin.
Aside from the personality and issues he may bring to us, I don't know that he fits what we're looking for. Yeah, he's a game breaker and can take it from anywhere on the field, but our real problems are in the RZ and I question if he's suited for RZ activity... I'd really love his talent here, we'd have a real honest-to-goodness threat that opposing D's would have to game plan around, but there does seem to be a lot of red flags around this guy... At least Marshall, who really had to go, was a RZ threat and that's what we missed a lot of this past year...is Harvin really that kind of a WR ??
Jennings-Harvin-Bailey-Patton-Binns-Matthews. Trade Bess, extend Harvin, and we've got a versatile and dynamic group that costs us about 15 million in cap space.
No thank you. He is a major injury risk and his migraines are of huge concern. That combined with the blow up with Frazier and he has huge warning flags that aren't needed.
Report: Vikings looking to trade Harvin Because Bess may be on the outs soon and Matthews is no sure thing. This draft is deep at receiver so it makes sense to double up there. I'm not suggesting our first two picks at receiver. A second and third/fourth devotee to it would be ideal.
From what I've read, Harvin doesn't seem like quite the a**hole in the same sense that a Titus Young is. He seems to be a hard worker and has been mostly all business in his NFL career so far. The issues he's had at all 3 levels (High School, College and the NFL) seem to stem from immaturity and what appear to be anger management issues. I've not read anything yet that indicated he was a bad or selfish teammate or that he was still a risk for a drug suspension. To me, he might be the type of character issue guy that eventually figures it out and might be worth taking the risk on. The flip side is that if the Vikings are willing to give up on him, there may be more going on here than meets the eye.
Quitting on a conditioning drill and not getting back to it even when the coaches yell at you is not indicative of being a bad or selfish teammate? Choking your wide receivers coach and throwing a weight slab at your head coach, demanding to be traded, aren't indicative of being a bad or selfish teammate? That's "mostly all business"? People have some strange ideas about these things.
both! She's so big Fin-O could wear her toddler hand-me-downs all through middle school. But then she got out of dresses and into plaid and Fin-O went from the pretty princess to trucker/lumberjack overnight. It was an emotional identity struggle for him, although he doesn't have to Nair his legs as often now.... so at least he has that going for him.
I was speaking more in terms of his pro career so far. Unless I'm wrong, the conditioning drill thing and the choking of the receivers coach were both at Florida. I'm not going to condone his actions there. He was immature and lived a privileged existence under Meyer. My question is how far has he come from that. I think it's obvious he has anger management issues to work through. While I don't think he's coming here, it wouldn't be a complete shock to me if he managed to straighten himself out.
The Minnesota Vikings believe Percy Harvin was on his way to an MVP caliber performance this year before he got hurt. They've decided to trade him. I think this suggests they know a lot about his behavior that most people don't know, and they have NOT decided that he's "straightened out".
I get that. He's a problem child but damnit man he can turn some of those 8 yd catches that Bess racks up on into 20-40-60 yd plays. He can return kicks, run reverses, a lil wildcat, some running back...I'm drooling over here.
CK, are there any solid second tier wrs and defensive ends out there in your opinion? I do believe Ireland is under pressure to spend some money on a wr(s) that is viewed as immediately compotent. This is the time of year when you get the 4 year guys available, and some of them will not resign with their current teams.
