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Ex LAPD officer suspected of killing 3 wounding others still on loose

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by Paul 13, Feb 7, 2013.

  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    More than will happen here, some managed to survive, though they were badly burned.

    Here, we have what 6 shot police officers, 3 robbed civilians, 3 shot civilians at the hands of the police

    And yet, wannabet there will be merely an "internal investigation"

    Uhhm, make that "follow the process", if they feel generous, in 2014 or so a very bland report will be issued absolving everyone.

    And the beat goes on, hell in a year you will have forgotten this ever happened.
     
  2. padre31

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    You gonna play baseball, you can get hit by pitches, it comes with the job.
     
  3. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    he killed cops. he didn't deserve to live. he would have got the death penalty (after millions and millions of said "due process")... another millions and millions spent on appeals. money well saved IMO. He was very lucky to even have his manifesto broadcast to the world on every news channel.
     
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  4. padre31

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    Careful P13, if Authority does come from the barrel of a gun, then Dorner was justified in his actions.

    However if Authority comes from the System and depends on following the system, then Dorner was NOT justified in his actions.

    Basically, if they served the system, it was then their job to bring him in alive, if they served merely their own interests Dorner was right, all of this meant nothing but Jet Skis and ATV's for the officers involved.
     
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  5. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    think you forgot the two civilians he shot and killed. And he killed police officers not just shot them.
    And none of what you stated changes the fact you are flying off the handle with little to no evidence.
    And as I stated evidence came out about the fbi/atf ****ing up at Waco. Hell you can watch a national geographic special on what happened.
     
  6. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Oh sure, have watched several documentaries on everything from Waco to Operation Push being burnt to rice crispies in Philly in the 80's, the on fact I take from all of it is unless an outside agency investigates, things are swept under the rug.

    For example in Waco the idea behind injecting tear gas into the building was "to keep the children safe" when in reality the tank injecting the gas into the building crushed the dwelling the children were hiding in.

    And I'm still waiting for this magical evidence producing fairy to arrive, for example they used APCO 25 digital coms to hide their actions from the media, it is encrypted, but a record of such transmissions are normally archived.

    Let's see what happens with those.
     
  7. unluckyluciano

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    so even though some evidence has come out, you don't like the evidence, it doesn't fit what you already believe, so therefore you are justified to just fly off the handle now.
    And what does archiving have to do with encryption? Nothing.
     
  8. padre31

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    So you have complete confidence in the agencies involved to seriously investigate their employees actions and issue an unbiased report as to whether their own plans, policies, and procedures, were partially at fault for the actions that led up to this?

    If so, based on what?
     
  9. As are you
     
  10. unluckyluciano

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    no I have complete confidence in "if this was a screw up, it will come out. If they let someone burn, it will come out." I don't believe in conspiracy theories, sorry. I do wonder though how you can say they should have rushed the firemen in, with a guy who obviously doesn't care about shooting people.
     
  11. unluckyluciano

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    saying lets wait and see is flying off the handle? No, no it's not.
     
  12. padre31

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    Nor would I ask you to believe in a "conspiracy theory"

    Would recommend one look into how Organizations function, and how they protect themselves.
     
  13. padre31

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    Alright Lucky, one year from now, let us bump this thread.

    Otherwise, after running the watchdogs of the first amendment off with a "no fly zone", then the cabin burning to the ground, looks exactly like what it was, same as hosing those two poor civilians in the pickup truck.
     
  14. unluckyluciano

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    You need to go back and read our conversation. You are off course again and I suspect don't have any idea what's been said.
    I've acknowledged what you said is possible.
     
  15. unluckyluciano

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    lol go ahead. I haven't stated anything about the situation, just that I would like to wait for more evidence. Again go back and read, you are lost.
     
  16. padre31

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    Sad really, let us see if I'm correct, or your "wait for reports from official sources to be released"

    Is correct.

    If I'm lost, you appear naive to me, how trusting
     
  17. Honestly I mistakenly thought it was paul making the comments that I quoted. It was an honest mistake.
     
  18. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I hope they roasted marshmallows and sang camp fire songs over his dead body.
     
  19. unluckyluciano

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    A lost mans idea of being naive means little to me. Especially when he has little to no idea what he is arguing.
    And how exactly will you prove the absence of evidence? You really need to start thinking before you post.
     
  20. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    talk of a body has been found. It's not Lennay Kekua I can confirm that.
     
  21. padre31

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    And a naive and trusting man's view means little to me as well, unless it is to induce a sort of whimsical recollection of what it was like to be that way.

    Eh, I've laid it out, you've seen it with your own eyes, and yet one trusts the same system that hoses newspaper delivery woman to issue a objective report that changes policies and procedures

    I've chosen my words carefully Persian (:lol:)

    A year from now, what do you THINK will have happened?
     
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  22. unluckyluciano

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    I never said I trusted them, again. I said wait and see what happens as I suspect if they did do a cover up it would come out eventually.
     
  23. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    :lol:

    [video=youtube;P28scGEzIW8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P28scGEzIW8[/video]
     
  24. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    [video=youtube;gIxpvrAotwA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIxpvrAotwA[/video]
     
  25. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    :lol: at GTFO here now at the 7 minute mark...
     
  26. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    KCBS/KCAL have the best video of it... correspondent Carter Evans was right in the middle of it, they left their camera running... I don't see it up on youtube yet. I might capture it on my phone and upload it.
     
  27. RickyBobby

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    He was shooting from the building. Can't really walk up and detain him at that point. Shoot to kill.
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w&sns=em

    Wonder about the validity of the above. If its legit, it's fairly obvious that the intent was to burn him out.

    That said its pretty clear from the actions if the LAPD these past days that their intent wasn't to merely talk to the guy.

    2 dead officers, 2 dead civilians. I'm not a fan of the "blue wall" if you will, but this guy lost me when he started killing people.
     
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    no reason to talk to the guy. doesn't matter how "wronged" this guy was. he shoots to kill, then there's no reason to keep him alive. thin the gene pool.
     
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  30. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    thanks for the audio link

    catch the part about the RPG round at the front door? He took his life is what it sounds like to me. Said on the news that the single gun shot was heard at 4:20pm. That is some strange coincidence.
     
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  31. padre31

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    Then they are not "officers" they are hired guns, and thus targets.
     
  32. Ohio Fanatic

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    It's amazing how you can spin something to align with your screwed up logic. my comment has nothing to do with the officers and their guilt from shooting at the innocents you were referring to earlier. hopefully they get held accountable and go to prison. But the fugitive maliciously killed people because he lost his job. there's zero justification for that regardless of how or why he was fired. you want to feel better about being fired, then go beat up the guy that fired you.
     
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  33. padre31

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    And how do you know he killed anyone w/o a trial taking place?

    Basically, you support their killing of Dorner w/o a trial, yet feel that the officers who shot up civilians should be tried.

    Why?
     
  34. Ohio Fanatic

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    that might be the stupidest thing you've ever said.

    Dorner didn't kill out of an act of passion, it was premeditated. and if they find the officers guilty, which seems obvious, and they end up with the death penalty (which they won't) then I won't lose sleep. my statement was based on the real world. cops don't get the death penalty when they kill the wrong person. It's a perk (right or wrong) of the job. You can make an argument that working as a cop in LA, putting your life on the line in a S**thole like that everyday will make you trigger happy and some understanding needs to go along with that. Doesn't justify what they did, but allows for some empathy for their stupid mistake. However, zero empathy should be given to Dorner. zero.
     
  35. padre31

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    I see you have not read all of my posts :lol:


    Helps when the DA is in your corner, at what point does it sink in that a thug, is a thug, is a thug no matter the patina of authority attached to their actions.

    As for Dorner, I cannot excuse one and bless the other..period
     
  36. RickyBobby

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    So then when did they turn from "officers" to "hired guns", before or after he was shooting at them.

    Every time he encountered police he engaged in fire. I don't understand WTF you wanted the Leo to do? Should they have nicely followed him till he ran out of ammo. He was a threat to civilians and officers, and because of that he gave the authorities permission to kill him. He could have gave himself up on multiple occasions. He played the game and lost.

    I'm really just trying to wrap my head around how you actually think this could have ended differently.
     
  37. padre31

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    Principle being, if the agencies are to have Authority, they should behave better than the one who is shooting at them.
     
  38. RickyBobby

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    ExCept for the lapd shooting up that truck, I believe all the others agencies did, no?
     
  39. padre31

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    They shot up 2 trucks, the second one the man was waived through a checkpoint, made it down the street, officers claimed to have heard shots fired elsewhere so a patrol car rammed the man's truck with his squad car and proceeded to hose it down with gunfire.
     
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