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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ckparrothead, Jan 31, 2013.

  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Wouldn't be surprised if it only took half that to sign him. But yes he'd be a quality addition.
     
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  2. Bpk

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    Is every now and then a fair assessment? If you remove the stretches where Goodson was riding the bench, how many active games getting five carries or more has he managed versus games misses due to injury? That's my concern.

    (No argument on DT. An upright Eddie George with less vision, less power on contact, and less results)
     
  3. Shamboubou

    Shamboubou Well-Known Member

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    Armando Salguero ‏@ArmandoSalguero
    "The dolphins will talk to BOTH Mike Wallace and Greg Jennings. Doesn't mean they'll be successful signing either. But they'll work it."

    I'm sure this is really some breaking news, but you never know with Ireland.
     
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  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He's really good coming out of the backfield, really good hands, too bad we can't run a screen.lol..
     
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  5. Shamboubou

    Shamboubou Well-Known Member

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    RT @NickG_8: Bill Polian on ESPN today said he has heard Welker to Miami, opinion on that?» Wouldn't totally shock me. Weakens the strong.
     
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  6. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    If we sign welker...I will be as pissed off as you can be.
     
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  7. Shamboubou

    Shamboubou Well-Known Member

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    Hahaha....you and me both. There are not even words to describe how angry I would be. The scary thing is that they could let Welker go and pick up Wallace and we could be really screwed. It would be great to see them let go of Welker to get Wallace and lose out on both.
     
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  8. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Offers both contracts less than what Hartline eventually gets and calls it a valiant effort #IrelandPokerMoves
     
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  9. jboogie

    jboogie The sky is NOT falling!

  10. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    The one thing Ireland does well is not overpay. Not sure what this guy is talking about.
     
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  11. CANDolphan

    CANDolphan Well-Known Member

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    The moment I read that quote without seeing an author I knew it'd be some no name and WHAT DO YOU KNOW. It's a no name guy!

    Honestly guys, there's a reason we know of Rappaport and others, they actually do their homework. **** like that just demonstrates an unwillingness to dedicate yourself to your job and simply relying on old ESPN-ish "lol" antics.
     
  12. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I think Greg Jennings' contract could be modeled after the one signed by Anquan Boldin in 2010 with the Baltimore Ravens. And not only was that contract reasonable, one could easily argue in the negotiations process that Jennings should be paid less.

    1. Anquan Boldin was going to turn 30 years old in the upcoming NFL season, just like Greg Jennings. They were both 29, going on 30. In this, the two are similar.

    2. Anquan Boldin's contract was 4 years, $29 million with $10 million guaranteed. That includes a $6.125 million signing bonus, a $2.875 first year roster bonus, and another $1 million in guarantees elsewhere in the deal.

    3. Career-wise, the two were similar. Greg Jennings has 425 catches for 6537 yards and 53 touchdowns in 96 games. To that point in his career, Boldin had 586 catches for 7520 yards and 44 TDs in 95 games. Very similar, IMO...as the 1,000 extra yards balance against the 9 extra TDs.

    4. However, Anquan Boldin was not coming off an injured year, unlike Jennings. Boldin caught 84 balls for 1024 yards and 4 TDs in 2009. Jennings only caught 46 balls for 481 yards and 5 TDs in 10 games of 2012, counting playoffs. Boldin also caught 103 balls for 1228 yards and 12 TDs in 15 games en route to a Super Bowl appearance in 2008. Jennings only caught 71 balls for 989 yards and 9 TDs in 14 games counting the playoffs in 2011. All in all, that's 187 catches for 2252 yards and 16 TDs in the two seasons immediately preceding free agency for Anquan Boldin, versus 117 catches for 1470 yards and 14 TDs for Greg Jennings. That's a pretty big factor.

    5. Should there be an inflation premium? Tough to say. The 2009 salary cap was $123 million. The 2010 season was uncapped, but most teams treated it like a capped year and the ones that did not were severely punished by Roger Goodell. When the salary cap was reinstituted in 2011, it was set to $120 million. There it remained in 2012, and it would appear it shall remain there in 2013 as well. If you're an NFL team you may even be able to argue that 2010 contracts are incomparable to 2013 contracts on the basis of there being no cap in 2010. That argument might not go over well, but the fact remains that because the NFLPA essentially "borrowed" in order to keep the 2011 salary cap at $120 million (should've been $116 million, just going off revenues) and to keep the 2012 cap at $120.6 million (should've been $113 million)...it means the 2014 salary cap is not actually going to go up much. The NFL projects that 2014 and 2015 salary caps should only be around $121-122 million. This means that contracts signed from 2009 to 2012 should be perfectly comparable to contracts negotiated in 2013...no inflation adjustment.

    Given all this there's actually a good chance that Greg Jennings' contract negotiations would come down to a price point that is similar to what Brian Hartline is currently asking. Brian Hartline wants 5 years, $33 million. That could actually be Greg Jennings' price point, except the deal would likely be shorter, around the same Boldin signed.

    If you're asking me whether I would take Greg Jennings or Brian Hartline at the same price...the answer is easy to me. And I don't think the Ravens regret giving Boldin that 4 year, $29 million deal.
     
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  13. Stringer Bell

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    Greg Jennings is going to get a lot more than Boldin. Boldin was not an UFA. He also cost the Ravens draft picks. He could only negotiate with one team, there was never an auction.

    I think you'll likely see Jennings get around $9M. More than Boldin, less than Vincent Jackson.
     
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  14. CANDolphan

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    No way Jennings gets 9 mil per, but I also have to agree with the notion of "You're forgetting it was a trade, and a substantial one".

    If Miami can get Greg Jennings for anything resembling 4 years 28 million dollars then I'm already giving Jeff Ireland, bare minimum, a C for this off-season. What a steal that'd be.
     
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  15. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Whether or not I'd be pissed off would depend on how much he was signed for and what other free agent moves we make to go along with it.
     
  16. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Very much doubt that. I don't think the single-team negotiations has proven to have an affect on contract values over time. I think you have big overpays that happen when you have a single-team negotiations, and I think you also have big underpays that happen. Just like in free agency you can have big overpays and big underpays.

    You could see a raise for Jennings as opposed to Boldin, on the basis of difficult comparisons between what in Boldin's contract constituted "new money" and how you divide that out. On second look, it would appear the actual salary cap figures for the 4 years in sum come out to $29 million, which is $7.25 million per year.
     
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  17. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    That could be exactly how it comes out. It appears that Boldin's deal netted him $29 million over 4 years, not $25 million. As I said, there are some key differences between Boldin and Jennings. Boldin was coming off two healthy, productive years. Jennings is not. When you conjoin that with the age factor, it could be a big sticking point in negotiations, far more than outweighing any "free agent" premium which may or may not truly exist. The team negotiating with Jennings could insist that he get a contract slightly below Boldin's because he's not got as clean a recent history as Boldin did. That could mean lopping $1 million off the total figure.
     
  18. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    If we signed Myers and Keller to be our 1 and 2 TEs we'd have the worst pair of blocking TEs in perhaps the entire league. They don't compliment each other well IMO because they are much more similar than they are different. As for playing Patriots ball by having two legit receiving threats at TE, the biggest difference would be that Gronk and Hernandez can also block. Gronk is as good a blocker as any TE in the league and Hernandez is a decent blocker in his own right.
     
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  19. Stringer Bell

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    I'd certainly think there would be more than one team negotiating with Jennings. All it takes is one out of 32 to believe he's as good as Vincent Jackson.
     
  20. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Which has about a 0.0% chance of happening.
     
  21. Phinfanjt

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    I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that he gets that much, even though I doubt it but if he does, I sure as hell hope it's not from Miami. Jennings already looks to have lost a little bit of speed, is coming off of 2 injury riddled seasons and won't have Aaron Rodgers throwing to him anymore. 7 million? Sure. 9 million? No thank you
     
  22. ssmiami

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    Anyone thinks Des Bryant of the Raiders is intresting as a DRE or a pass rushing DT ala Atkins of Bengals?
     
  23. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He's better then Vincent Jackson.
     
  24. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Not really. I'd say they're somewhat close w Jackson being more explosive.
     
  25. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Sure , it's close, and Vincent is younger, but two years ago, I would say no.
     
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    Josh Cribbs is one of those FA's who interest me, wonder if he has learned to play Wr at all in Cleveland?

    To me, he is a bit like Harvin w/o the headaches
     
  27. juju.simba

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    this guy maybe of interest if this happens ,we need a upgrade at guard and i would move jerry to tackle !!!

    CSN Bay Area expects Raiders RG Mike Brisiel to be released.

    Recovering from "major" ankle surgery, zone-blocker Brisiel is no longer a schematic fit with the Raiders returning to a power scheme
     
  28. slickj101

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    No, he's not, he's older.
     
  29. CANDolphan

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    Uh... Percy and Cribbs are similar in a world where special teams are all that matter, yeah. Harvin is better at literally everything else on the football field.
     
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    Without the headaches or the skill level.
     
  31. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Oh sh&$, so in that case, I'll take Jennings all day.
     
  32. Stringer Bell

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    They're really too different players. Stylistically, I think Jackson is more appealing to the average fan, which likely inflated his value.
     
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  33. slickj101

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    He's a homerun hitter as opposed to Jennings being more of a possession guy.
     
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  35. Desides

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    I thought we'd target Brisiel last year. I still like him and think he'd fit well.
     
  36. Gunner

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    Anyone have a scoop on this guy?

    Would be nice if he was the 2nd coming of Wake :up:
     
  37. Gunner

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    For those people wanting Bowe there is some bad news ... good news for those that don't want any part of him

     
  38. slickj101

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    Not really good news either way. If Bowe re-signs then Wallace and Jennings' prices just went up.
     
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