Uhhh, except nobody is suggesting Brian Hartline is worth $10M+ Nobody is really against Wallace either. There are just those that don't think he's worth the money he'll get.
Setting the bar awfully low on that comparison, aren't you? Of course he's more of a factor in the short passing game than Brian Hartline. Hartline has the run after catch ability of a 70 year old woman.
No, a lot of people are saying Wallace wouldn't be a good fit here b/c he supposedly wouldn't fit in with the short passing game element of Sherman/Philbin's offense. I keep hearing how he's so one-dimensional of a receiver, and that's simply not true. He's the fastest receiver in the game, so he'll obviously be a factor in the short passing game by default b/c corners often have to respect his speed and give him a big cushion which an offense can use to its advantage in the short passing game. IE: He's not one-dimensional. Saying "nobody is suggesting Hartline is worth $10+ million" really isn't any type valid argument when your team desperately needs better production and skill players who can make plays and score touchdowns. If you need extra production then you pay for it. Paying Hartline $5 million a year sounds great and all but it isn't a solution to the problem; all it does is leave us in the same sinking boat. Do you wanna pay Hartline $5 million to remain mediocre or do you wanna pay Wallace $9-10 million for increased production to help us become great? It's not like we don't have an extra low-priced 2nd & 3rd rounder this year to help balance out the cap hit.
Hell yes. Hartline and Wallace play flanker most of the time IIRC so I'd say buh-bye Hartline and then trade Bess who'd be Jennings' backup in the slot. We'd need a split end to round it out. Cordarrelle Patterson, Keenan Allen, or perhaps Quinton Patton.
The thing with Wallace is we couldn't just stop at him alone. Ireland has been clear that production needs to equal the player's cost, so in that regard we need to ask ourselves what steps can be taken to maximize Wallace's value so that his production can come as close as possible to matching his cost. IMO there are 2 main things here: 1. ensure the run game is respectable enough to keep safeties honest and to allow for play-action. 2. prevent defenses from bracketing Wallace by signing/drafting a TE and/or slot receiver whom the safeties have to respect (Greg Jennings, Tavon Austin, Tyler Eifert, Jermichael Finley, or Chris Gragg).
Why not both. I think that would be pretty slam dunk. Resign Starks as well. At that point your looking at maybe an OL or DB in the first, and then WR/TE later on. Johnson lets you move Odrick to tackle for a trio there, while Wake, Johnson and Vernon play the DEs. Offensively, you add Wallace, then look to add a TE. Draft a WR to replace Hartline, or sign him to a team friendly deal. Five picks in the first three rounds, we can come out OL/TE/WR/CB in there I think.
Reading this thread is going to cause me sooooooooooo much heartache come March, when none of these guys sign with us Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
The "scout's" name is Tony, apparently. Haha. I have no idea how to verify who works for the Dolphins or if this is entirely made up or if he ended up talking to some drunk guy at the combine who is claiming to be a Dolphins "scout". I found it to be rather interesting, that's all. He's been wrong before so I guess take it with a grain of salt. I'll always respect him for breaking the Brandon Marshall trade to me about 2 days before it hit the news though. My immediate question to him (and I guess to everyone else) would be... why does a scout know anything about free agency signings? They likely wouldn't be throwing that info out willy nilly at the office.
We know it's a WCO, but Philbin may have his own take on it. Either way I don't believe there is a disconnect between the FO and coaching staff. And we'll just have to see whether they feel he's a good fit or not, and if they do, if it works out or not.
It sure is. But there is no way Hartline is worth either the 5-6 or 7-8 that he reportedly wants, but whatever. To each his own, I suppose.
You're taking someone who is only one player and trying to cure/mask inadequacies with that one player, rather than continuing to stockpile talent, regardless of position. Wallace will be looked upon to cure the ills of the passing game in much the same way getting Henne a true #1 would cure the ills of the offense. It isn't one thing that will cure the offense, or the defense or win us the SB. We've tried this many, many times rather than just simply getting a multitude of players and finding the talent within those via weeding out. Wallace will not be the cure all, in any way shape or form, and will likely eat up as much cap as Jake Long would have. Honestly IMO having any player making over 10 million is just bad long term business. If we do this for $10 mil, we may as well have kept Long, because Wallace will not live up to his billing in this offense. And, we'll still be clamoring for more players again next year, without realizing if we had just used that 10 million to get maybe 2 players who can produce, even at an average level that we'd be further along building the team as a whole. This is not to say we don't need stars, we do. But we need them a year or two from now, not today. Right now, today we need a boat load of players that we can continue to elevate the talent level of whole units from top to bottom. Many times, that is not achieved by adding just one player, it involves adding more than one and over more than one season. I'd rather see the resources spent on getting a quality starting left guard, a backup inside linebacker worth a damn and resigning Chris Clemons. I'd address 3 holes with the resources I'd allocate to one player. That's the opposite of the Miami Dolphins way for the last 10-15 years. We've been one player away for many years. Only to find out that we've been one player away from being the same team; whose only success is finding another hole to fill.
Fair enough. But all that would probably mean is riding into 2013 with Brian Hartline making 6-7 mil as our #1 WR again. I'm not up for that.
Why? Are there no other WR's other than Mike Wallace or Greg Jennings that can be productive in this offense? Not being snarky, just saying don't lose perspective. Looking at this as a singular event will, undoubtedly lead to disappointment; which may be inevitable regardless of patience and understanding. I understand your position, believe me I do. I just know that there will likely be 5-7 receivers who can come in and be productive in this offense in FA. Will they be stars? I have no idea, but, they will produce. I wouldn't overpay for Hartline either. I'd be content if we lose him or sign him. You can't panic over it by any means. We can add a decent FA and draft at least one WR in the draft to help fill out the roster. Rishard Matthews should improve, and you look for either the FA or rookie to provide something, even if its only 15 catches from the rookie. Thats an accomplishment in this offensive system. There are more players that will help than we're talking about.
I like drafting either Allen or Patterson, but it looks like Jennings wants way more than 6-7. He wants more like Wallace money. None of the big FA will take 6-7, someone will pay them more. So if we are going to go the nickel and dime route, we will most likely be stuck with Hartline as our #1 and a rookie as our #2.
I don't know, are there? I don't think outside of Jennings, Wallace and Bowe there are many, if any #1 WR. Maybe I'm wrong (I should check the FA list before I run my mouth). I just don't think going into the season with Hartline, Bess, a rookie and Matthews is the best option.
I agree with you to a point Tex. That being I would rather sign Jennings, assuming he can be signed for a reasonable amount ($7-$8 mil/year) over Wallace. I think he brings a more proven track record, and is more versatile. I also really like the idea of teaming Jennings with one of the top WR's in this class (Patterson in particular).
Be it a smart move or dumb move, that would be a VERY non Miami Dolphins like move. One of the reasons people are frustrated is they haven't even attempted to bring in a playmaking WR.
I do think that Ireland shares this philosophy, I'm not sure he's good enough in his evaluations to complete the Balanced attack approach, but he does have this year free and clear to prove his worth..with support. I don't see us paying over 10 mill for any one player, it's one of the reasons if I had my choice, Jennings for 8 mill, Wallace for 12, I would go for Jennings and continue to build a balanced roster..This is why I don't understand folks who want us to sign both...I think that tips the roster in an extreme way that will eventually open up holes everywhere else.
To further the point on why I would trade for him: A) That would make CERTAIN that you get him, whereas in free agency he could pick any team. B) It would allow you to keep his $19 million over the next 3 years contract, whereas in the free agent market he could get bid up to a higher contract C) You would have ZERO guaranteed on that contract, which means you could cut him at any point with no cap acceleration.
More then A or B, C is the best selling point. His hamstring issues worry me. Theyre chronic and reportedly from continuous dehydration. Sounds easy to solve but thats when I get worried because if it was that easy to fix, it would have been fixed.
