Dude, really… what is your problem? Did you just not read my entire first post or do you just want to ignore the fact that I wrote "BUT I see your point that college production (or lack there of) is not indicative of what NFL production is going to be" I mean are you just so used to everyone kissing your *** around here that you get your underwear in a bunch if someone disagrees with you? Frankly, you have no clue if Eifert or anyone else is going to be any good in the NFL. IF you did you would be making a lot of money for SOMEONE… because you would be the only person to have that type of knowledge. lastly, I dont profess to be a draft expert in the sense in that I dont know the finer points of the game… but just like everyone else I have an opinion and an a-hole..
The plays happened on the perimeter, the fine corner had the sideline as leverage, I thought Eifert won both matchups athletically against a potential #1 corner at the next level..if he can win matchups on the outside athletically against a great corner, what kind of damage can this kid do elsewhere, with him it's about matchups that present themselves for your offense, highly unlikely he will be drawing 1 corners at the NFL level, he will benefit by having other weapons around him, and he will own the middle of the field against linebackers and safety's who don't have the coverage skill of a Milliner..The fact that he can line up outside is a huge plus, so many ways to utilize a kid with this size and athletic ability... Have you watched the Stanford game, that cardinal defense was simpy dominating this year and last, he played extremely well against a very good, disciplined defense.
I am from the bay area and I watch a lot of Stanford football…. probably have watched 15 of their last 20 games live. To say that Stanford had a dominating defense is a bit of an over reach IMHO. They were very good against lower level competition but just average vs good offensive teams. As a matter of fact Stanford had the 20th ranked defense last year… 70th against the pass.
Dude, I don't have a problem. And I don't see anyone kissing my butt. I've been here an awfully long time and have good friends here. There's a difference. I'm not sure what your issue is anyway. You disagreed with me and I showed you that touchdowns weren't an indicator. It is what it is. I'm sure the rest of the forum is as bored of this as I am, so lets move on shall we.
Honestly after reading more on Eifert here and elsewhere and after his eyepopping numbers in the combine I'm warming up to him at 12. Sounds like he could be a scoring machine for us and that's what we've been lacking.
Nick Buoniconti wants us to take him, and out of reverence to Nick, one of my 4 all time favorite Dolphins, I couldn't complain if we do, even though I like Ertz better.
Career totals: Ertz: 112 catches 1434 yards 15 touchdowns 12.8 YPC Eifert: 140 catches 1840 yards 11 touchdowns 13.1 YPC
I like Eifert more the Ertz. But, if we're targeting a TE (which I assume we are), and if we miss on Eifert, I wouldn't be too disappointed to "settle" for Ertz. Miami (I think) is really sitting pretty at #12. If they can trade back and pick up another second round pick, that would be the ideal scenario. I say that because I think Eifert will still be OTB at #12-#20.
Actually I had no idea that he was NFL Tight End of the year 3 times in a row, nor that he had SIX All Pros to his credit. I'll absolutely concede that point. Wow. As for Kyle Rudolph, I didn't that much that I liked. I liked Moeaki much better, and feel even still that if Moeaki was in Rudolph's place, he'd be putting up better numbers (as far as yards, Rudolph was just fed the ball in the endzone, 5 of which came off play fakes to ADP.
. Double coverage for Eifert..single for Ertz..bad Qb play for Eifert...good Qb play for Ertz. Please don't tell me you believe that Eifert is a workout warrior because he won the battle of athleticism..? I've been saying is that folks are underestimating this guy's athleticism, hearing things like being stiff, not flexible, not fast, can't separate..consistent 4.6 flat , 36 inch vertical, excellent broad jump you should be giving him props because you know he can play the game.
Ertz was also a backup to Fleener till 2012. Don't tell me Ertz always got single coverage and Eifert always got double coverage. Ertz wasn't playing with Luck when he had his best season. I don't think Eifert is a workout warrior. Like Kiper said, to separate the two as for ability to play TE is really splitting hairs. Eifert is not running consistent 4.6 flats. His official time was 4.68. Ertz had a better 10 yd split. Ertz was able to do 24 reps on the bench clean. Eifert did 22 but was raising his butt off the bench for the last 6 reps, and they let it go. Eifert has longer arms, but Ertz has bigger hands. I give Eifert far more props than you give Ertz.
the stats posted were for 2012… I dont know how you get that Ertz benefited from good QB play. The QB that started for the Cards at the start of the season got benched 6 games into the season because he flat out sucked! He ended up getting replaced by a freshman QB that played well. Ertz basically put up the same stats with both QB's.
I poop on stats, eyes tell me that Eifert is the better player, and it's not as close as the experts think.
I know the article is supposed to show that they are close... but IMO the stats provided seem to put Eifert > Ertz. Now, maybe its just a case of confirmation bias as I was already one who believed Eifert > Ertz... but that article seemed to really make a case for Eifert over Ertz IMO.
The one place, and an important one, that the link IMO favors Eifert is drop pct. I didn't realize Ertz had double the drop pct prior to that. Not easy to track down dropped pass stats for the college level IMO. Since I had Ertz a little ahead of Eifert before, now I'd say they are a virtual tie.
I just see that Eifert's average catch was deeper down the field than Ertz, he had less drops, he had more yards after contact, better speed, better size, better vertical, and a bigger catch radius. It seems that Ertz's production came a lot by catching short passes with no one around him and gaining some run after the catch yards before contact... where as Eifert's production came a lot by catching the ball down field and then gaining more yards after the contact.
