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NFL Combine Results

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by ckparrothead, Feb 22, 2013.

  1. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Sorry, but I disagree. This is a team that has blown third round picks like they were dollars at a titty bar. IMO, I would have Mathieu completely off my board. The guy is simply a bad character guy and will likely influence others to follow down his path to destruction. I wouldn't draft him at all, and I wouldn't sign him as a free agent.

    I'm all about giving someone a second chance. I'm not all about giving someone a 5th and 6th chance though.

    I remember another very talented player from LSU that Miami took a chance on. Thing is, Mathieu makes Cecil Collins look like a choir boy.
     
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  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Elam had 18 reps with that body, Thomas is a freakin strong mother grabber.
     
  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ok, Shark just ran a nasty 40 and tripped, and I was literally scared thinking about him hitting somebody..no bs
     
  4. padre31

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    FWIW, Vaccaro ran a high 4.5
     
  5. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Show me on film where he shows the hip movement to be able to turn and run with wide receivers. It's simply not there. What you are effectively doing is highly overrated his performance when he's not wearing pads, and it is overshadowing the flaws he shows on the field.

    It's the same thing people are doing to Johnthan Banks, only in the opposite. People are overlooking what he shows on the field, which is much better than anything Mathieu shows on the field, and are overplaying what he times in the 40.
     
  6. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Some of the angles he takes still bug the hell out of me.
     
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  7. padre31

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    I had him as something of a darkhorse for us in the 2nd rd, now I'd tend to think we'll pass on him altogether.
     
  8. MrClean

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    He's also played for Cleveland, Jets, and KC. Now a pending UFA. Silly Saban had those two in camp and didn't hang onto them. Just another way he screwed us long term along with his generally poor drafting.
     
  9. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Maybe I misread something C, I saw a kid who scared me for his health at the next level, no way could he hold up on the boundaries, thought it was poyer, maybe not, I'll keep looking.
     
  10. alen1

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    Some think he's a top 10 pick. I think whoever selects him that high is bat****. I like him early 2 at the highest.
     
  11. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I'd be surprised if Ireland has him on his board for those very reasons. They were concerned about Vontae's maturity enough to trade him a week before the season, and he's an Eagle Scout in comparison. The things Mathieu has done are giant red flags for guys like Ireland and Philbin.
     
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  12. Die_Nasty

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    These official 40 times are so jacked up
     
  13. padre31

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    Thing is, it is all about playing time, a team is really going to have buy into his game to start him no matter where he is drafted.

    I noticed someone mentioned hips and running with Wr's, I do recall that was the big knock against Rashad Jones, BUT he also was a 5th rd pick and sat behind YBell for awhile, a high 2 you have to play him quickly.

    And IIRC, Jones and Clemons ran better than Vaccaro did this year?
     
  14. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    VERY interesting. What is making him climb up? I assume he hasnt been able to do any workouts? Is his rehab going faster than expected or something? Realistically, when do you think he'll be able to get on the field? Would we be drafting him with basically a "red shirt" year?
     
  15. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    well then, I know how you feel, your dug in deep, and I'm sure I'm not gonna talk you ought of it, all I can do is go deep in his story, his upbringing, try to watch his demeanor and see if I see signs of genuine signs of humility and contriteness, use my own instinct, and make a call, at this point, he's on my board if he falls to 3 b..I"m that convinced on what type of football player/playmaker were talking about.
     
  16. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    5116 and 191. Not huge but not tiny either. IMO his ball skills are on a par with ANY defensive back in this draft. I hope we get him and if we don't that he doesn't go to another AFC East team.
     
  17. ToddPhin

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    .... yet we've already interviewed him for whatever that's worth.
     
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  18. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Jones, 4.51 in 2010, Clemons, 4.33 in 2009.
     
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  19. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Here's what I'm saying, every team takes risks at some point, its the business, and if your a gm in it, there are times to go for it without worrying about consequences, I think all the variables set up for us to take one here..you rarely hear me talk about taking a risk on a player but with this kid, the interaction I see with his teammates, the love for the game I see, I'm targeting this risk.
     
  20. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Interesting. Doing their due diligence then and I'm glad they are. He's worth a 7th round pick and I'd not complain if we took him then. I'm just surprised that they'd show an interest in a player with Mathieu's off field record of transgressions. Seems rather unlike what we know about them.
     
  21. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    no sir, I'm not doing that, I've watched all his games, he's a brilliant football player who sometimes doesn't worry about his technique..

    Imagine if he does change his tune and takes those instincts and raw talent and starts to apply true technique?

    What you saw today, and why I'm so pumped for him, is because you DID see the undisciplined athlete focus on technique, and guess what happened?, he was the best player on the field...that should tell you a lot..there was clear separation from the pack, and today was all about technique..
     
  22. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    KB, what's your analysis of Darius Slay?
     
  23. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes..
     
  24. jim1

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    I don't think that OL 40 times are that huge of a deal, but at the same time they're reflective of overall athleticism. Joeckel looked pretty bad running the 40 imo, and his kick slides in drills weren't even close to those of Lane Johnson. I don't know much about Joeckel but I was certainly expecting to see more athletic ability/agility out of him.
     
  25. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He's no earl Thomas in that dept.
     
  26. Finsanity247

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    Dee Milliner..4.31...I did not see that coming...
     
  27. sports24/7

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    I'd be happy with any of those guys. The more I think about it, the more I like Eifert at 12 even though it's a deep TE class. With Escobar running a slow 40 we might be able to get him a little later than we should. Although Eifert AND Escobar would be pretty awesome.

    If Moore is there I would bet quite a bit of money he's the pick unless the Dolphins strike out on a FA/Trade WR, or sign a DE in FA.

    I don't see Joekel or Fisher getting to 12. I guess it's possible, but I think Johnson is a far better bet to reach 12 and that may not even happen.
     
  28. alen1

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    What are the chances they move back and select FSU's Menelik Watson?
     
  29. Sumlit

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    Btw Matthieu official 40 was 4.50.
     
  30. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I know, I'm agreeing with you, doof.
     
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  31. ToddPhin

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    I thought I recalled Ireland saying something about wanting to first establish a great locker room presence, which he believes we now have, so perhaps that has something to do with it.
     
  32. ToddPhin

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    Why? If Moore is there that means 11 other teams have already passed on him (wisely and for good reason).
     
  33. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Yeah ever since the Senior Bowl that's when I decided that Lane Johnson to me is a better pro.
     
  34. ToddPhin

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    ahhh. Ooops. Yeah I knew that. Just-a making sure you did, too.
     
  35. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    If you ask me he was always destined to climb. First off he's a JUCO transfer so there's not a lot of FBS history for scouts to have followed. Second, partly because of that and partly because of being stuck behind established guys like Jenkins and Werner, he didn't really get a chance until 2012 and so again that means it will take a while for scouts to get onto him. And then he completely stops his momentum by taking an ACL injury. Thing is, an injury like that has shock effect. Everyone immediately backs away. Slowly as time goes by they start getting used to it and less afraid of something like that. Fact of the matter is James Andrews says that surgery has a 95% success rate. And Carradine is coming along so fast it looks like he won't even miss any training camp.
     
  36. ckparrothead

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    Hah...it's a very Miami move. But I don't know if it's a very Miami prospect, from a character/background standpoint.
     
  37. ItsDFresh

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    My top 2 choices at corner (assuming that Millner is not there)

    Xavier Rhodes - 4.43 official 40

    Desmond Trufant - 4.38 official 40

    Guys proved that they can run. Would love to have either over banks.
     
  38. alen1

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    I wonder if Carradine's character has checked out. I was told that he had some issues when he was younger but didn't have a ton of luck finding it when I researched him.
     
  39. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I liked Kayvon Webster, Duke Williams and Earl Wolff in the backpedal drills.
     
  40. alen1

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    Neither of those guys play at those speeds, IMO.
     

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