Kayvon Webster moves as well as you could ever want a corner to move. His only issue is just continuing to get more experience reading plays and getting sharper and sharper at breaking on the football earlier and earlier by recognizing what's happening.
Not only running the 40, but Johnson and Fisher lifted as well or better. Their kick slide drills, especially Lane, looked better and Lane was much better. The light feet of a ballerina moving laterally. Joeckel didn't have a single thing that I can think of that he did better than the other two.
Any player available at 12 will have been passed on by 11 other teams. I'm not sure why that applies any more to Moore. I think he's a good football player that fills a need for the Dolphins and is fine value at 12.
I'm one of Eric Fisher's biggest fans. He can play on my team any day. He's somewhere between Joe Staley and a more athletic Sebastian Vollmer (when you consider technique and stance).
Shamarko Thomas leaping small buildings. Adds a 40.5 inch vertical and 11'1" broad jump to his 4.38 in the 40 yard dash. NOW people are going to talk about him, of course. LOL.
He's similar to Michael Roos too. IMO, Joeckel compared to Fisher and Johnson has been totally over hyped. If I were Miami and had my choice of the 3, I'd rank them Johnson, Fisher, and Joeckel. Johnson could be the smoothest LT since Walter Jones in his prime.
what need is it that you think Moore fills? If 11 other teams pass on him then it can also mean he is NOT the value you think he is. Personally, I wouldn't touch him in the 1st round, and WADR it seems too many people are influenced by the media's initial interpretation of his draft status which is seeming to be more and more bogus by the day. I simply don't see how you can watch his tape & slow forty time and come away thinking he represents value at #12. At that crappy forty time we're not drafting him to replace Misi; he doesn't fit the role opposite Wake; and he's certainly not replacing Cam, so that pretty much pegs him as a situational pass rusher, and that's even suspect.
Earl Wolff doing just as well though. He ran in the 4.3's, 39 inch vert, 11'2" broad jump. He's 5'11" and 209 lbs. Another East-West guy that stood out to me. Ultimately I like Shamarko better but Wolff did stand out to me as having good ball instincts at the Shrine practices.
I like him a lot. Darius signed with Mississippi State coming out of high school as a running back, but he didn't make the grades and had to go the JUCO route. He ended up at Itawamba CC in Fulton, MS, for two seasons. There, he played defensive back. He resigned with Mississippi State and played as a reserve to Corey Broomfield during his junior season. Broomfield was moved to safety to replace the graduated Charles Mitchell as a senior, opening up a slot for Darius Slay. Like Banks, Slay knows how to get his hands on the ball. He's got very good size and great athleticism. The style of defense MSU played didn't really allow him to let his athleticism take over.
WOW! Now that would be huge! Didnt he tear it in late November? Being ready to go full bore by July seems crazy... but if so thats great to hear.
He's already looking at doing a workout even before the Draft...so he must be progressing really well.
Really?!? Obviously he won't be at full speed... but this kid must be a freak if he's progressing to the point that he can already do some workouts! I had trouble jumping on board with your boy Werner... but I apparently have no problem drooling over a guy coming off a torn ACL, lol. Must be b/c he's black. I'm such a racist... lol/jk!
The need he fills is pass rushing. They desparately need a guy that can get to the QB opposite Wake and I think Moore can do that. It wouldn't bother me if he's brought in as a situational pass rusher to start. Plenty of situational pass rushers make a large impact for their teams.
There's still a lot to like imo, and not like, as per Moore. What I wanted to see was some sense of speed and explosion at the combine to go with the positives on the film. But a 4.95? Yikes, that's a tough one to swallow. I wasn't expecting a 4.6, but he certainly looked faster than 4.95 on film to me. He just didn't look good running either, and the 12 reps on the bench was just weak. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, and as per the combine he didn't deserve it. On the plus side, I read that he did perform well in some tests, not sure what they were. What really bothered me was that it looked like he just quit in the 2nd 40 more than pulled up due to injury. I didn't like that at all. He was productive in college, a lot to like imo, but the combine certainly adds to the doubts and the things not to like.
Guys i think it may be Dion Jordan from Oregon who is the best past rusher in the draft. His workout drew comparison to aldon smith. Maybe for the 1st year you use him situationally with Odrick playing DE cause starks is still here. Next year you slide Odrick inside and Jordan becomes the every down pass rusher that Smith was in his 2nd season with SF. This guy would merit a pick for me at #12. Just for fun here is how he posted at the combine... 40 Yard Dash - 4.6 seconds Vert Jump - 32.5 inches Broad Jump - 122 inches 3 Cone Drill - 7.02 seconds 20 Yard Shuffle - 4.35 seconds The 40 yard dash, vert jump and 20 yard shuffle were all rated as "Top Performer". His physical makeup is sick too much resembling the body of Jason Taylor. 6'6 250 lbs. 33 7/8 inch arms and 10 inch hands. This would be my pick at 12.
Holy cow, Devin Taylor had the 2nd best short shuttle amongst DLs and the 2nd best cone. That's to go along with 2nd best broad jump. Fitting. Since he was the 2nd best defensive end at South Carolina, yet is still pretty good. When I do a draft winds featurette on him I'm going to look like I'm whoring out for Combine numbers. (his vertical was 5th best but it didn't fit in with the 2nd 2nd 2nd theme)
I'd like to see Jordan compliment his speed by knocking over an OL like Aldon Smith did last season I think to Jon Martin, steam rolled him. Or this from Washington at :35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15Fnw2w1oPk Jordan has pretty big arms for a thin guy- for better or worse what I saw on film is a talented guy who has strength (more than I initially thought), speed, quicks and plays with leverage, but he can get handled and ridden out wide by OTs- to what extent his bad shoulder is a factor I don't know, but if I heard correctly it's a very bad, lingering injury. I'd rather see him freed up at OLB and using his speed more than grappling with 300 lb OTs all the time. Very good player, but there are questions there imo as to his pass rush and anchoring ability at DE. He's giving up a ton of weight and he's got a high center of gravity, reminiscent imo of Ogletree at MLB, and I think that he should be moved to OLB as well.
I've been trying to say for a while that Dion Jordan's got heavy hands and reminds me of Aldon Smith that way. Admittedly not quite as flexible as Aldon Smith but at the same time it was hard to tell how good Aldon was at that based on his final year tape since he played so much interior pass rusher.
I think his hands are more quick than heavy. I underestimated them initially but I'm thinking they could ease concerns of getting around the corner.
I've been watching some film of him and he looks good, I just wish that he was a bit more explosive. Still, he's a good pass rusher and he sure can track down ball carriers laterally. Interesting here at 1:10, showing quicks to drop into coverage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeEUlRctbY4 2.5 sacks and twice as many tackles as as Washington- I wish that I saw more of his quickness that he showed dropping into coverage translating into LOS quicks, burst off the edge. He looks like more of a big, tall strider with good wheels. Not to nitpick though, I'm just always looking for explosion, very interesting prospect. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeEUlRctbY4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caMRfFsBOVY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GF1WejUYsA
Perhaps CAPS LOCK would help? Moore, pulled a quad on that "4.95 40" you keep going on about, one can see it plain as day, he is not a 1st rd pick, he also is not a 4th rd pick, he is what he is, a high motor developmental player.
So you want an average at best nickel NFL pass rusher with a #12 pick? I don't understand that. The guy can't even beat college tackles but he's suddenly gonna become a stud situational rusher? Not saying that to be a dick, I just don't understand it is all. Stats don't always tell the truth.
The ideal scenario IMHO would be a trade back from #12 to somewhere between #15-#20 (hopefully netting us another second rounder for this year in the process). I would then select either Patterson or Eifert our first rounder. Patterson will probably be gone, but I think Eifert will still be OTB between #12-#20. Taking Eifert with the first round pick gives us the consensus #1 TE in the draft, and we can still get quality WR's and edge pass rushers in the second and third rounds. Perhaps an O-lineman too. But, if Big Jake is OK, and we can work out a reasonable deal with him, that minimizes (theoretically anyway) the need to go O-line at all in the first three rounds. The beauty of trading back in round one means we have a pick to play with in round two to move back up into the bottom of round one if we see a guy we are high on that is still OTB. Think about that for a minute, we could get the top rated TE, one of the top rated WR's, (maybe two) an edge pass rusher, and a solid cover corner, in the first three rounds. How cool would that be?
I absolutely love this. IF this happens it would like you said address mostly all of our needs and provide huge explosion on the offensive side of the ball. Hey, we can dream can't we? I think it all boils down to how the top 11 picks go, if there is somebody there that another team is all about it for sure happens.
Not sure what you mean with the caps lock comment. His 1st 40 was 4.87 iirc, that blew as well. I'm a fan of his- I was hoping to see some solid combine numbers to partially offset some legitimate questions about him- I did not. I look to him as more ready to go than developmental player- he has experience and production, what he's lacking is strength and speed, more than I thought. That last "quad pull" 40 wasn't 4.95 iirc because he didn't really finish it, at best he crossed the line in a light jog- I didn't think that there would be a time placed on that 2nd 40. That being said, his 1st 40 was lousy, slow and no explosion out of the gate. Not sure how they arrived at an official time of 4.95 when the guy pulled up lame half way through the run. I like him, not trying to dump on him, but he had a crap combine, maybe the worst of the lot.
Thanks a lot. Slay had an outstanding combine in every respect. If we based it on just the combine he would get drafted before Banks.
I obviously don't believe him to be an average at best pass rusher or I wouldn't suggest taking him at 12. And to say he "can't even beat college tackles" is a bit shortsighted when considering he had 12.5 sacks last year.
Personally I think the Dolphins already have two Damontre Moores on roster in Koa Misi and Olivier Vernon.
I'm glad you saw it, when he pulled up it really stood out to me. IMO, you draft Moore in rd #2 or #3, and plan on developing him for a year as a rotational player as he has tools, and a motor, but physically he just is not there but does have the frame to get there. I'd guess my question with him is how he can be such a high motor player on film, and be so poorly conditioned at the Combine, that does not mesh, unless he had some undisclosed injury. Some long armed guys just don't bench press well, 12 reps is just pathetic, what 1 rep every 5 seconds?
Yup. Sad about Banks. I love Tank and hoped he'd fall to us. Doubt we go after him at 12 with Starks here and Odrick at End. That means we don't touch DE til the second, more likely third round. I think with Lemonier's strength results Ireland will consider him at 2b and 3a. Don't count Cordarelle out if we don't land a big three FA WR. Looking at what Jennings is asking for, Cordarrelle at 12 may happen yet, dumb or not. I'm afraid we may take Damontre Moore due to that A&M connex too, Chris, but what I said about Starks and Odrick applies here too. Ireland doesn't get a DE at 12 to rotate with Odrick. Bullet dodged on Moore. It's looking more like one of the LTs at 12.
His broad and vertical jumps were both near the top of his group, so he wasn't too out of condition. 4th best DL vertical at 35.5" and tied Jordan for 4th best broad at 122" The bench isn't a timed event so I doubt if anyone knows how many seconds it took anyone for each rep.
Great call on him, I'll reiterate something, there are very few payers that literally freightened me for an opponent when it's comes to size/power/speed ratio, he and Datone jones were that for me the past four days..Ricky Williams in his prime in the fourth quarter was another. The shark is a bad mother grabber.
Thought they had 1 minute to knock out as many reps as possible? What I do like about Moore is his frame, when I look at him I see a player who can add 25 pds or more and it would fit his frame
