They can't, the men will just rape them or something. Because if you are attracted to something you can't help but want to rape it.
I stopped reading here simply because, not to be rude, but no. This just is not correct. I cannot express to you how incorrect this is. Look up "Fundamental Rights" and "Supremacy Clause". You aren't allowed to hire/not hire someone based on their race gender or sexual preference. I'm sorry, but you just can't do it. Ever since the Supreme Court placed homosexuals under a protected class as stated under the 14th amendment (Equal Protection), you cannot discriminate against them. This is a federal ruling. Now, States can feel free to add on top of that, but any laws or hiring practices that are okay'd by the state but directly conflict with anything Federal? That violates the Supremacy Clause, and thus is unconstitutional. Whether you know it, agree with it, or like it, it's a protected class. The NFL draft is a tough one, though. You can't really argue one way or the other that a guy was not drafted ("hired"?) because of his sexual preference, but then you can argue why it would be a factor or even a line of questioning?
That wasn't an independent confirmation of the line of questioning. It was repeating the same story that became accepted after the SI blurb about it. There hasn't been a confirmation of what happened with Dez Bryant or people close to him. They made their complaints about it, and then moved on. What I don't get is: A) A guy having questionable character justifies you showing questionable character in turn by asking rude, insensitive questions, B) The implication that the answer to the question, yes or no, would provide even ONE IOTA of value to the evaluation process. What is ironic is that (unlike the "a-hole" situation) Jeff Ireland would be the first guy to come into this thread and disagree with all this rationalization that he did "nothing" wrong, and admit that he made a careless mistake.
No one is really arguing that it wasn't a careless mistake. What they're arguing is that it shouldn't be a big deal. Its a minor faux pas that given the circumstances is easily understandable. The problem is its being treated as a symptom to a major issue with Ireland and his character. It was mistake. But not a big one and shouldn't be a big deal. Every last one of us has probably had an even worse gaffe.
You must not be paying any attention to this debate. Several are defending it as a justified question. And there are more than one extremely unwilling to call it anything close to a mistake. One example from Stringer: Saying it's a prudent question is the exact opposite of calling it a careless mistake. It's his opinion and he's welcome to it, but you can't say there isn't anyone arguing it wasn't a mistake when there are many examples in this very thread.
The argument has morphed into that sure, but that's because emotions of the haters and the emotions of the defenders have taken over. Really, this is about how big a deal this was, and it is legitimately not a big deal. it was a mistake but an extremely minor one and understandable given the circumstances. There's a major difference between the conversation that happened and flat out calling someone's mom a whore. The haters act like there isn't and have absolutely blown this way out of proportion.
Only speaking for myself, but I stated in this thread I had no problem whatsoever if someone wanted to classify it as a forgivable mistake. I've never compared what Ireland did to calling someone's mom a whore, just a very inappropriate question to ask anyone. Anytime you tiptoe around somebody's mom being a "working girl" in any manner it's pretty inappropriate no matter what the setting. I had this opinion when it first happened and that's before I became what you call an "Ireland hater". But I agree, it's not a big deal now. What is a big deal is doing a good job finding players that can help this team win games in free agency and the draft and I hope he can do it.
IMO there is something that should be made into a big deal. Dez Bryant has serious psychological issues, and likely needs medication. Anything being discussed about Ireland is simply a distraction from the real issues.
I think maybe you can argue he shouldn't have been so blunt. I don't think you can argue it was a question that shouldn't be asked. With the world of prostitution comes a lot of violence, drugs, etc. That can lead to a rough upbringing. Which can lead to mentally unstable people. If I'm investing millions of dollars you bet your *** I want to know what the effect was. I'm also willing to bet it's a question many businesses would ask as well as government, especially when doing a background check for security clearance.
I was told through my state that certain practices were an act of discrimination. Age, gender, religion race were all listed. Are they just telling me that. I am not an attorney. I was told by representatives of my state that sexual preference was not protected. It does not bother me that is is protected because I am not looking for that as a reason not to hire or hire. So I have no problem with what you say. I am just telling you what was communicated to me through our own Personnel Board for the State. Now I am sure the practice of not hiring persons based on their sexual preference is not as much an issue here as I make it to be. I don't believe based on what I know that would even occur, and if so, in a subtle manner. But I do know I was told that.
Going back to the orginal issue or question, I know I would not ask that question and would find it non-relevant. Others would disagree based on locker room politics and a level of comfort. But it is a non-issue to me where I am right now in life. I believe they are proteced under the law even though I do not recall the year Crazy685 refers to when that happened. If it was recent, it may have occurred since I went through the training I went through. But I would not ask that question in an interview.
Honestly it's pretty much 1st year law school stuff. Or basic undergrad Constitutional Law stuff. Are you referring to the Mississippi State Personnel Board? I can almost guarantee there is a communication error here because as I said, if there is a disagreement between federal and state laws, the federal law slam dunks it. The SCOTUS came out and put homosexuality as a protected class after their reversal of Dont Ask Don't Tell (or was it the DOMA? I can't remember off the top of my head) Hell, even Obama porked it on a defense bill. Maybe you talked to them prior to 2009? Edit: http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2009/October/Gays-Now-a-Protected-Class-of-People-under-New-Law/ Just so there is no more debate here. Gays are a protected class. Period. Ignore that ****ty ****ty article and it's nonsense "Attack on freedom of religion!" claims, just linked to the first article that popped up on a google search.
To sum it all up regarding Ireland asking Dez if his mom was a prostitute, I totally do not care that he asked it. I am however totally 100% tired of all the lame *** attempts at jokes still being directed toward Ireland over it. They ceased being funny after the first 500 or so. It was a logical question based on the questions and answers up to that point. Could Ireland have use a little more tact or diplomacy? Yes I guess so. He didn't. So what? Get the fvck over it, forget it, and move on with life.
it was inappropriate and Jeffy got ripped by everyone accordingly. the jokes probably aren't going away anytime soon, same with the a-hole jokes.
It was prior to 2009, and it makes sense the Don't tell don't ask changed things. Yes, it was the MS State Personnel Board, and yes it was prior to 2009. So I am guessing things would be stated differently. As I said, I generally don't want to hold anything against anyone myself. I had a interview tell me they were gay. I think I shocked them with my non dramatic response. It just doesn't matter to me. I know that is not the case for many.
Nope. I criticize Ireland all the time. I just prefer to not make lame worn out jokes about the prostitute question while I'm doing it.
I haven't seen you criticize him. I apologize for not looking closer. I just feel that those of us that don't like him get persecuted on this site for not being a fan of his.
I probably ragged him about trading Vontae more than anyone else on this forum. I'm sure there are a lot of members who would back me up on that.
Thanks. I didn't shut up about till it was after the season, and became old news. We did get the 2 for him, but now we have to probably draft another corner and we got the same guy picking this one that picked Vontae. That's all I should say because I don't want to start another debate over the wisdom of that trade. I was also unhappy when he traded Marshall before having his replacement already on the roster though was less vocal about that. I thought for sure he'd take a WR in the top 3 rounds when he didn't sign a UFA wide receiver. Yeah, he signed Naanee, but he isn't an NFL quality wide receiver as we all sadly discovered, if we didn't already have a suspicion.
I'm curious how Chad would have done had he not got cut for the domestic violence thing. Having him as our #3 WR all year would had to been better than the NaaneeArmstrongGaffneyMooreBinnMatthews revolving door.
Agreed, Im not a Chad Johnson fan but you have to think he would of been a better 3rd option then what we had. Hard to say though. Considering he isnt anywhere now you have consider that he just does not have anything left to offer a team.
I was just presuming that was because of the domestic violence case against him, and no other team wanting the headache either more than his being washed up completely as a player. Maybe I'm wrong though
You might be right. I just find it odd that no team is willing to take advantage of his situtation and sign him to a 1yr minium contract if he could contribute. Its like his value died in NE.
That lineup of receivers almost bordered on neglect. I have hope for Binn and Matthews, but let us hope we don't spend time on guys like Moore, Naanee, and others that simply do not pan out. Lost a lot of ground on receiving corp waiting on guys to pan out that didn't.
One of my strongest criticisms of Ireland is how he handled skill positions last year for a rookie qb. He put a qb out there with debateably the worse supporting cast in the league. He can not make that mistake this year and survive.
