Per Marvez: Dolphins, Hartline Nearing Multi Year Agreement

Get it done. Everybody just figures Wallace is going to sign with Miami or even Jennings. There is a real chance we get neither. Then what?

Hartline will be a good #2 or #3. He gets open.

 

Terrible...we coulda signed Hixon for 1/3 of this deal and he would provide more big plays. Just another example of why this franchise and the front office especially is considered one of the laughingstocks of the league. If we sign Wallace or Jennings, draft another WR, and get a TE, Hartline will fall to the 3rd or 4th option.

 

That's called depth.

 

This is just practice for next week when all hell breaks loose haha

 

I have no problem with Hartline re-signing. I especially have no issue with him staying here and not showing up in New England. Hartline has come a long way from the sleeper he was identified as by Peter King during the draft. You need a guy like Hartline on the team. It is one less receiver Tannehill has to develop a connection. I am intrigued by what direction Miami goes in for the speed guy (draft, Wallace or both). I predict Wallace and the draft. But I expect strong emphasis on finding a tight end.

 

The rumored deal averages $6-6.5m per season. Unless they front load it I tend to believe the 1st year will be below that $6m number which will have less impact on our 2013 cap number

If rumors are true and they are successful in signing Wallace then I think that could take us out of the 1st round WR discussion. Although a 3 headed monster of Wallace/Hartline/Patterson has a nice ring to it. If Fasano, Long & Smith walk then we're looking at a TE, CB and OT being the priorities in the first 3 rounds. As some have said chances are neither of the top 3 OTs or top CB will probably make it us at #12. So that leaves TE. Then they will have to ask themselves if Eifert is worthy of #12 or should they take one of the top pass rushers.

 

I feel like that is a product of the offense. It's not like a guy can be allergic to the endzone. There's more to it than that.

I like it. Why put our faith in a guy like Swope (among others) in the 2nd round when we know we have a solid #2 WR in Hartline. If we get Wallace, WR is taken care of...We can address other needs early in the draft (CB TE) and pick another developmental WR in the 4th-5th rd. Getting excited...now just release the friggin logo!!!

 

Schmo,
My gut tells me (depending on what I ate recently!) that if the team manages to add at least a good WR with good speed to run opposite Hartline that both will do better than we think right now. Last year, he was the #1 and received that type of coverage. He also was the go-to guy when Tannehill needed a catch, and most of the time made them. I don't remember too many catches he made without at least two defenders right in his wheel house - usually more.

I agree that he is not a number one in speed - but he was defacto the team's number one target last year and received the benefit of the doubt from defenders - with only one legitimate threat to take away some of the coverage. (Ya think that 250 yard game led others to make sure he didn't run free?) He reminds me a whole lot of Howard Twilley in the 'oulde' days. There's a lot to be said about a reliable, sure-handed, quick receiver to complement a threat receiver due either to speed or route running (or best - both!) to go along with today's slot receivers.

 

I know I have been burned by this belief in the past, "I think Hartline will improve because he will have a real offseason."

 

DE or WR is the magic question. I do believe you have to add cb and ol to the list as well. Unfortunately there is some buzz about overall poor cb performance at the combine (especially the guys in the top 5 not named Millner). This year there is no clear cut choice (even within the first five picks of the first round). More so than I can remember in years past.

 

Are targets completely independent of the player? Isn't a WR's ability to get open, and therefor targeted, partially on him?

And my point remains - you agreed that the 250 yd game was an anomaly, and his stats outside that game are fairly pedestrian. I'm trying to find a list of WR salaries to compare Hartline to other players at the $6-6.5 million level. It seems that money could be spent more efficiently.

 

Just the Dolphins being all Dolphin-y.

 

CK, those are two interesting tight ends you have in your second mock.

 

Thats what makes this deal even worse, Brian ****ing Hartline will keep us from drafting a Patterson...smh.

 

Targets are partially on him, yes, but not entirely.

And even without the 250 yd game in Arizona he'd still have more yards than a number of better WRs including Larry Fitzgerald and Dwayne Bowe.

 

Reggie Bush caught the same amount of TDs in one game than Hartline has in two seasons.

 

Fixed

 

Bess makes $3m. Hartline if this is true, $6m. If we sign a Wallace that's $20M on one position.

Is that legit?

 

Then don't sign Wallace.

 

I think this is right where his value to this team is, right now... Amendola or Welker are more slot type receivers and we have Bess for that role, who is not too bad at it (a step below those guys)... Now we'll need someone on the other side to draw some coverage. My fantasy-football-aqua-colored-glasses say Wallace would be just what the doctor ordered.... Jennings would be great pickup for this group as well, although not a speedster either, but if he's asking Wallace/Bowe money, I'd say pass and look to the draft...If not Jennings/Wallace, then I think they'll still add someone like D. Hixon or Kevin Ogletree before the draft and look to see what happens in the draft...

I think the one thing that has to be recognized is that upgrading the TE position with a play-maker is non-exclusive to adding any number of WRs...

 

Yes they are. I like them both.

 

That's what I'm getting at.

 

The price you pay for stability and in Wallace's case, speed. Miami has been severely lacking in that department. Tannehill has got to get some support. This team can not start another season with defenses not having to be overly concerned about deep threat. Got to have it.

 

I don't think Patterson will be there for us at #12 anyway, but IF they can shore up the holes (generally speaking) in FA, then grabbing Patterson (if available) shouldn't be precluded...

 

So you're saying you love this move?

 

Omar just stated that he has been told that the fins are using Jordy Nelsons 4 year 14 million deal as a framework, so that would be considerably less than 6.5 mil a year.

 

We're paying Anquan Boldon money to a guy who went the entire year without scoring 1 TD against an actual set defense.

Ireland: "We need playmakers." First order of business: paying a non playmaker 6 mil/yr.

Lol great start to free agency Jeffy.

 

This seems more like it.

 

No, which is why Mike Wallace won't be signed.

 

Resigning Hartline leaves a lot to be desired as far as speed. We must get a deep threat opposite him or our core is really no better than last year.

Maybe a guy who can get some separation, sounds CRAZY I know.

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Thats what I thought, that would be just fine.

 

Jordy Nelson is not a comparable situation to Hartline. Nelson had his contract re-negotiated, he didn't receive a new one. Omar Kelly is a moron.

 

Not buying that, but will happily admit if I'm wrong. Omar and all that..

 

Maybe 4 years at 24 million?

 

Or hartline won't get $6m

 

Bolidin is another horrible comparison. His contact situation was completely different than Hartline's.

 

Who do you thing will get signed? Outside of Hartline of course.

 

That would be fantastic. It is exactly what I suggested months ago should be the beginning framework for Hartline's deal.

 

Maybe Jennings. I think they'll address it in the draft.

 

If Hartline gets close to 6M per...and Wallace wants 10M, who would you like to target instead?