Per Marvez: Dolphins, Hartline Nearing Multi Year Agreement

Yes, but do you love lamp?

 

I dont disagree with most of that. We need to improve the WR unit not just maintain status quo. My only point was that Wallace or a handful of players in the draft would be better fits then Keenan Allen

 

Techincally they were not on the roster. They are FAs. Were you expecting us to not reup any of our guys? That's unreasonable IMO and a poor way to build a team for the long haul. Draft well, develop ur guys, reward them for playing hard and playing well. It's not the sexy approach but its the winning approach. Spending 15 million still leaves 30 million to play with. And again, FA hasn't started yet a little patience is warranted.

 

Do not despair oh Padre. Many people mock greatness because they do not understand it. Your finely honed mind operating on another astral plane is beyond the comprehension of the huddled masses. Please try to not be so hard on them for they know not what they do.

 

We don't have any idea of knowing what the "plan" is. I think the way that you have to look at this is simple. You are not creating another void to fill on the team. I think his best football is still ahead of him. The only thing that I know is for certain is that we will be players in FA. Hartline is a solid #2 receiver who fits the offense extremely well. Let's wait and see what the numbers look like on the deal.

 

Are u naming things and saying you love them?

 

Yes, I agree. Allen would help, but not be the best option to combine with Hart and Bess. Several much better ones if they turn out like we think they can. Allen may be the safest WR in the draft though, and we know how so many highly drafted ones never amount to much.

 

Mr C, lay off the cough syrup.

 

Well, it also could mean DBess is on the bubble.

 

Youre way ahead of me B. I just want some guys who don't make me cover my eyes when they come on the field. It doesn't have to be Allen, I use his name because I like him personally but I have no arguements with the other guys u mentioned at all.

As long as its not Nannee, Gaffney, Armstrong, etc.

 

Now people are posting that Brian Hartline is a great player? LMAO!!!!!!

 

I'd rather have worked on re-signing Sean Smith first. Not that I dislike Hartline, but I think we have to upgrade that position, not solidify it.

 

Never been a fan of Hartline but he's all we got and unfortunately Miami has no choice but to overpay him to keep him. I expect "attempts" at adding better receivers, but kinda expect them to come up short. I hope I'm wrong.

 

I've got to hand one thing to the Brian Hartline re-signing at $6.0 or $6.5 million a year.

At least they know what they're getting. They know what he can do. They know what he can't. They're not going to sign him and suddenly discover he's a lunatic in the locker room with an injury you never knew about, that produced in a certain system playing a certain way, yet is a completely different player in a new environment and with a new system being coached to play another way. That's not going to happen.

Are they getting about 60 cents on the dollar with Brian Hartline? You bet.

Do they stand a legitimate chance of getting only 30 cents on the dollar if they signed some free agent from some other team based on a theory that he can produce in your system? Damn straight.

Which just goes to show you how misguided it was to keep on praising the front office for putting us in a position where we've got all this money under the salary cap only because we have 7 solid starters with expiring contracts, and 2 more starters that were jettisoned only a year ago and never replaced.

After we sign Hartline to this deal we will have only about $25-26 million of functional cap space remaining (once you account for the money required for rookies), while still having starter positions open at Wide Receiver, Tight End, Left Tackle, Defensive End, Corner Back, Corner Back and Free Safety.

And if you call that "enviable" then god bless you, sir.

 

How about, play press man all season long and Hartline will have 1 big day.

Im wondering what games you were watching. Clearly you saw the Arizona game. Was that all?

 

Not damn straight.
There is 100% chance that Mike Wallace or Jennings will produce more than 6 TD over the course of time equal to Hartline's time here.

 

If you are paying Mike Wallace $12M+, he needs to be producing 15-20 TDs per season. Anything below that and its a negative value-added.

 

You're making things sound worse than they really are. As usual.

 

Hey CK, guess what??!!!???

It's gonna be the same deal next off-season.
2014 Miami Free Agents
Marlon Moore
Davonne Bess
Armon Binns
Richie Incognito
John Jerry
John Denney
Randy Starks
Paul Soliai
Koa Misi
Nolan Carroll
Rashad Jones

Starters

Gotta love it

 

Or, we get 1.10 on the dollar

At some point it sinks in..you know that Rookie Qb with 19 games college experience?

Uhm, he missed a lot of opportunities, as he improves, gosh the players around him put up more stats.

Nah, that would require vision.

 

You are paying Hartline 6 mil per TD per season. There is a 100% chance Wallace will outproduce that.

 

If you want to improve on clay then draft Jordan Reed and cut clay.

 

Even ignoring the troubling emphasis on TDs, I think it would be prudent to link to the definition of value-added:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_added

 

Ugh, recall the Texans had Daniels/Dressen/Casey?

Two Te's and HBack, CC is our HBack, you don't cut him, and Casey is not a real Te so while interesting we should pass on him.

Really like Dustin Keller tbh

 

also need to bring in another Guard and RB

 

Eeesh.

Reshad Jones, Koa Misi, Paul Soliai, Randy Starks, Richie Incognito, John Jerry and Davone Bess. Another 7 starters.

 

Point went way over your head

 

I think the RB is already on roster, to be fair.

And yes I suppose upgrading one of the Guard positions is as much as "want" as upgrading the Defensive End position. So I'll give you that.

 

I'm hoping they get Jones and Starks locked up long term soon. Misi? Maybe. The rest can go

 

Maybe you or Stringer should explain it to him...

 

The point is, $12 mil Wallace need score only 2 TDs a year, and he is doing Hartline-well.

 

Wallace and Jennings are very much in play.

He had a hell of a postseason.
But my point remains that he is insanely overpayed as are most NFL Players would you pay him $120 Million over 6 years?
I dont think he is worth $20 milion a year. He is not Rodgers, Brady, Brees or Manning.

 

Dansby will be off the books in all likelihood, how much cap can be carried over?

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It's not March 12 yet, so, yes, they were still on the roster. There's nothing "technical" about that.

 

difference is there's no real alternative for Baltimore to go there. franchise QB's don't grow on trees, there isn't another one available to them. plus you overpay for QB because it is far and away the most important position on the field.

again, Hartline's numbers are inflated, I can sign Domenik Hixon for 2-3 mil/yr, throw him the ball 130 times and not only will he give me 1,000 yards but he damn sure will give me more than 1 TD.

 

All salary cap space can be carried over.

And you're right there is a certain likelihood that Karlos Dansby is cut in that same off season. But that will free up more cap space of course. I believe his salary jumps from like $6 million to $8 million. Cutting him I imagine will give us maybe $6 million relief.

 

RE Hixon: Only if he stays healthy which, history says, isnt happening.

 

I doubt Wallace would do much better, if any, if he was in the exact same situation as Hartline was last year. Wallace and Bess would still be lacking another threat. The opposing D would do what they needed to take Wallace away so we are right back to Bess. You have to have multiple THREATS to succeed and while I do like Bess, he cant be labeled a threat and an upgrade will be available early in this draft.

 

Hopefully its more along the lines of 4m per season and 2m incentive?

 

Casey is a much better player than Clay and they play the same position if that's where you wanna spend some cash..