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Per Marvez: Dolphins, Hartline Nearing Multi Year Agreement

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by schmolioot, Mar 5, 2013.

  1. CANEPHINS

    CANEPHINS No Tats & Dreads Allowed

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    For that much money one would hope he takes lessons on how to not trip over his own 2 feet while walking.
     
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  2. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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    Mexico
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  3. Aquafin

    Aquafin New Member

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    GOOD POINT yea I am sorry I posted my earlier post I am really frustrated because the light at the end of the tunnel must be dim or it must be a disco strobe light . the media is talking like we wont sign anyone but i should chill out but Ireland is the Obama of general managers and I Wyatt Earp and I m laying doown the law.
     
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  4. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    $1million per TD or $50K per trip
     
  5. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Thank you sir!
     
  6. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Now that's how u post!!!
     
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  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    good for you the mods deleted some of your frustration, wrong man, real wrong.
     
  8. Mongo

    Mongo Mongo like candy!

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    Exactly! The Dolphins Front office let things get this way and we and the team are going to suffer for it as a result.

    I wouldn't give him more than a deal averaging 4 million a year at the maximum. IMO, he's a 3, not a 2. How in the hell can you condone having a #2 that can only score 1 touchdown in a whole season. If he was a legit #2 then he'd have found a way to score more td's, especially in a contract year.

    If we pay 6.5 million for a guy who couldn't score last year then how much more are we going to have to pay Jennings to sign him? Desperation or no, Jennings might just see it as an insult if the Dolphins starting offer is at Hartlines possible salary for next year.
     
  9. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Guess what? In 2015, the following guys are free agents:

    Kevin Burnett
    Karlos Dansby
    Jared Odrick
    Mike Pouncey
    Charles Clay
    Jorvorskie Lane
    Marcus Thigpen

    It's not a bad sign, and it's exceedingly silly that people are trying to suggest it as such. It means that "X" years ago, you acquired contributing players in chunks. Rookie contracts are 4 years(with a 5th year on some 1st rounders), and free agent contracts likewise have certain expected lengths depending on price tier. If Miami had no worthwhile free agents up for contract, that means that they had draft and free agency classes X and Y years ago that sucked, or at best were forced to re-sign those players prematurely.
     
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  10. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    WQAM just said the deal is done! 6.5 Million per year
     
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  11. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    :woot:

    Glad to have him back!
     
  12. Phinfanjt

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    Was hoping it was going to come in lower. Can't wait to see how it's structured and how much goes towards this years cap. Maybe it's back loaded and easy to get out of?
     
  13. GMJohnson

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    The Ravens suck. Newsome is a bum. How could he have Reed, Boldin, Pitta, Ellerbe, Kruger, Dickson, Flacco up for FA in the same year? Lewis and Birk are retiring too. They'll never be a winning franchise.
     
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  14. padre31

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    Believe it, or not, check Clay's production Deej, quietly the dude has produced.

    Question with him is his knee, is it 100%?
     
  15. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Yes, thanks for brightening my day. :up:
     
  16. Anonymous

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    You're adding on more needs than we have. You didn't account for Odrick at end, Marshall and Patterson at CB. As well as the possibility of bringing back Smith.

    In that case, WR, TE, LT, and FS are needs. If you bring back Clemons, scratch off FS. We would have needs at WR, TE, and LT.

    Now if you want to release Marshall and Patterson, don't forget to bump up our cap space. We would probably be in the 20s after resigning Smith, Hartline and Clemons while tagging Starks. With needs at LT, WR, TE and CB. That's not bad with 20+ in cap possibly and 5 picks in the first 3 rounds
     
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  17. Anonymous

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    I'm happy he's back but I wish it was less than 6.5 million per year.

    Can't wait to see the dollar amount per year.
     
  18. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Nah, he is worth 6.5 millie per yr, do I think he is an Alpha Wr that can score from anywhere on the field?

    Nope, however he is ascending, not a diva, and makes the plays he should make.
     
  19. LBsFinest

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    lmao @ Odrick...yea, we're set there...

    people are talking about DE with our 1st pick, and you don't think it's a need? and OG is also a need, John Jerry is not the answer.
     
  20. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Just checked his twitter and there was nothing to indicate he'd agreed to terms, or was even in close negotiations for that matter. Last tweet said he is off to the beach to work on his tan.
     
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  21. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That is because there are DE's that are huge upgrades.

    However I do think that the Dolphins are fine with Odrick at DE and unless there is a player that is a huge upgrade, he will probably be starter there next season.
     
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  22. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Sigh.

    Too much money for average to below average production.

    If the scale on Ireland goes from -5 to 5, I just moved from 1 down to 0.
     
  23. Stringer Bell

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    What a steal. Congrats to Ireland for making this happen. Now time to work on Ireland's extension :yes:
     
  24. Anonymous

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    But I thought WQAM reported it done?
     
  25. Anonymous

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    Time to lock up the soon to be executive of the year.
     
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  26. Fineas

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    Assuming Hartline's deal counts as $6 million against the cap (and it probably doesn't because it probably starts at a lower number in the first year and then escalates), the Dolphins should still have more like $28-29 million of cap space taking into account space for rookies. Last year's rookies only counted about $2.36 million against the cap and this year's should still be under $4 million. That's quite a bit of space to cover your listed needs considering that the cap hit in the first year is usually nowhere close to the average annual value of the deal.

    For example, Wallace could sign a 5 yr. $55 million deal like the Bowe deal with $25 million in signing bonus and annual salaries of 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, and the first year cap hit would be $7 million. If we were inclined, we could presumably sign Jake Long or another premium LT to that same deal with a $7 million cap hit, although I'd certainly like to do it for less. Or we could add another premium WR and go LT in the draft if we were so inclined. A quality TE can probably be had for 3 yrs., $15 million and a cap hit of around $3 million. I don't think we need a DE starter in FA -- Odrick, Vernon and/or a rookie pass rusher can fill that role. I also don't think we need 2 CB starters in FA. Could find one in the draft and we have some guys who can start there. But I'd probably add a solid starter, who can probably be had on a 4 yr., $28 million deal that has a first year cap hit of $5-6 million or so. I think we could bring Clemons back on a deal with a cap number of $3 million or so in the first year. And I think it is most likely that we end up working out a long-term deal with Starks to bring his cap hit down significantly. We also have opportunities to trim cap space but cutting or restructuring other guys. There is plenty of opportunity to bring in good, young veteran players in addition to the 5 picks in the top 82 (or whatever it is).
     
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  27. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    According to what a friend posted in Curt's email group it's a done deal.
    There were some hints from other people tweeting to BH that indicate something is in the offing.
    Such as this:
    Matty I ‏@TheMattyI
    @brianhartline In other words....the deal is done and you're going to use $100 bills as your beach towel??

    To which Brian replied:
    Brian Hartline ‏@brianhartline
    @TheMattyI @ we can chat later. Right now I'm heading to the beach...
     
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  28. ckparrothead

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    1. Sean Smith is currently a free agent. He's as much a consideration in this as Anthony Fasano, Reggie Bush, Chris Clemons, etc. A starter with an expiring contract means a starting position has opened up. You have cap space, but you also now have a liability. You can't just "bring a guy back" and have it be for free. If you're accounting for the $45 million of salary cap space that we started out with, you MUST account for the holes that opened up that cap space. THAT is the accounting. And it's the only responsible way to think of it.

    2. I took some license by adding in Defensive End. You're correct. That opening is not because of an expiring contract or because of a player jettisoned last off season but yet to be replaced. When LBsFinest suggested I add Right Guard to that list, I agreed with him. That position should be added.

    3. Technically speaking I could say we don't have a hole at wide receiver because we have Armon Binns. Or we don't have a hole at Corner Back because we have Nolan Carroll. Or Bryan McCann. We don't have a hole at Tight End because we have Michael Egnew, etc. I could say that, but it wouldn't be true.

    4. Richard Marshall was signed as a replacement for Will Allen, not Vontae Davis. That means Vontae Davis' spot is still unfilled. Dimitri Patterson was claimed to be a replacement for Richard Marshall who was injured at the time. Neither replaces Vontae Davis. They are #3 and #4 corners.

    The fact of the matter is once this Hartline deal goes down they still have expiring contracts for STARTERS at RB, TE, LT, CB and FS. In addition, they jettisoned a starting WR and starting CB a year ago, and did not replace them. And in addition to that there are inadequacies in the lineup lingering at RG and DE. On the other hand, I think most here are assuming that Reggie Bush's replacement was wisely drafted in the 4th round a year ago. So yes, they still have 8 positions to fill and $25 million to do it. Whether they fill some of those spots by signing back some of their own, is irrelevant. Those spots are still open. Signing a guy back means spending money, spending resources. Limited resources. None of this is an overstatement. It's a highly objective manner of looking at it.
     
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  29. Lee2000

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    The questions you have to ask relate to how comfortable you are with him losing 20 pounds and do you think he gains some higher degree of quickness. Then you compare him to what is available in the top half of the draft. If you can upgrade you probably do that, but I am not sure how much of an upgrade you get. I am sure others have a stronger opinion about upgrading that position, like CK.
     
  30. padre31

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    And when one watches him, you see he has a great great out and up move, sort of Largentesgue.

    15 ypc, or close to it, and he has done that every yr he has been here, that is no small thing.

    As for "..he only scored 1 Td!!!!..."

    What people should realize and accept is Sherman was treating THill with kid gloves for most of the year, down inside the 10 one of two things would happen:

    We'd stuff the ball into the EZ via the running game
    Fasano would vulture a TD as it was an easy throw

    Fasano would appear to down block, slide out into the EZ off of play action..TD

    There have been 2 other Wr's with 1k yds and 1 Td..Keyshawn and Mike Irvin..which is not bad company. Yet armchairs will complain about this move.
     
  31. Fin-Omenal

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    This is the greatest day in Miami Dolphins history.
     
  32. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Irvin was at the end of his career when he had that season of 1k yds and 1 TD. I asked my armchair about this and it would not even reply to me. Your armchair talks to you huh?
     
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  33. Mongo

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    By that logic Hartline needs 7-10 touchdowns. Good f'n luck with that man!
     
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  34. Stringer Bell

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    Not sure about the greatest, but definitely a great sign of progression for the organization.
     
  35. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    Lotta trolling going on right now.
     
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  36. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    :sidelol:
     
  37. djphinfan

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    I'll take a bet fin-o...Greg Jennings will be a dolphin..

    We'll go into the season with Jennings, Hartline, Bess, Matthews, Fuller, and a 1st or 2nd round receiver to groom that will take reps away.
     
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  38. padre31

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    And? Irvin was a HoF wr, and that is short hand for "armchair GM's"

    And of course, my armchair does not talk to me, the cat does tho....:shifty:
     
  39. Fin-Omenal

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    Absolutely, I mean look how much better we will be now that we got Hartline.
     
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    Here's to hoping my handsome friend.
     
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