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Poll - Martin & Smith; Long & Martin or Other?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Da 'Fins, Mar 3, 2013.

Which Scenario for OT Positions?

  1. Re-sign Long at LT and keep Martin at RT

    31.1%
  2. Sign Andre Smith at RT and keep Martin at LT

    17.8%
  3. Go a different direction at the OT position (with Martin as one option)

    51.1%
  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Yep, and the ironic thing is Smith struggled to play RT most of his time in Cinci, but now of course he should be signed while many fans are down on JMart?

    Smith is in legal difficulties folks.

    I think Alen is perhaps on the right track about inside the hashes, BUT taking the wrong approach, meaning from a defensive pov you want guys who can go inside out, it is far easier to find offensive players who can do that compared to defensive players who can do it.

    And in the NFL, what matters today is outdated 2 yrs from now, for example look at what happened to Wide-9 teams when the read option arrived? You send that DE with his ears pinned back and watch the Qb run for 40 yds through the now created hole in the Defense.

    And this goes waay back, but when the Redskins had the Hogs, the best D's of that era were all smaller and quicker, which is what Defenses will shift to now, BUT the next offenses will..go to a semi ground and pound attack to maul those smaller quicker defenses as Washington did for a long time and had great success with it.

    This is why it can be argued that the Big Man's Game theory is still applicable if you can land say Star or Floyd or Richardson, b/c they can thrive in either situation.
     
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  2. Conuficus

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    Well away from here
    He also has had a serious back injury, which he has continued to miss time for in the pros. Bad back means ever decling play, no thanks.
     
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  3. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    72 sounds more like a wingspan than arm lengths.

    edit: For Webb though it was probably more like an 82 inch than 72 inch wingspan.
     
  4. Hurricane

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  5. Hurricane

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    Two points here: when I connected LeVitre to Martin, what I was saying was that when Martin's deficiencies continued, it wouldn't be noticeable, because, in that scenario, he has four guys that are top 10 at their positions to the right of him. Whether or not you were thinking that, I don't know, but that's what popped into my mind. If Martin did make a huge leap and become a franchise left tackle this year, I don't doubt that this would give us the best line in the league. On the other hand, you could do that same thing without giving money to Loadholt, and drafting another guy for the right (if you think Martin can handle left, or draft a LT if not) in the 1st or 2nd.

    Secondly, sure, strength can be added, but especially for a guy as big as him, it's going to take a long time. We'll see. We're all rooting for it to happen. Whether or not it actually does, though, is another thing.
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Great points imo..that's why I always wanted to evolve the wildcat, that's why I would like to see more power spread stuff..That's why I would like to draft Eddie Lacy..it's why I think Austin would be a nice skillset to compliment a good run game.
     
  7. padre31

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    Even then, it would only last maybe 2 seasons, 32 football PhD's all focused on defending it, sooner or later adjustments will be made to counter it, which is why quality talent is so vital to winning as they can play in any system.
     
  8. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    That would scare me more having 2 young OT's like that. You can help cover up for one of them by sliding protection over...but both tackles? Scary. I think we will sign a RT just cause there are so many of them and we just know Ireland will justify letting Long go cause we got Martin. Loadholt IS the guy we should want at RT. He's balanced. Solid in both pass protection and run blocking. Takes on the odd penalty too much...but that's cause he's just flippin nasty.
     
  9. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    I think it also depends on getting the best value for the dollar. Drafting a tackle might cost us a draft pick, but then again you also have the 6-9 million you might have spent on a tackle to fill a hole at another position.
     
  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think the ball handler in the zone read controls the longevity and effectiveness of the scheme, hesitation is a defense's kryptonite, it's not going away, and it's always a win for the offense if you can accomplish it..if you remember the one thing I used to talk about with Ronnie was he was amazing at the ball handling part of the wildcat, he was reading the defense while the ball was in the air and while he was handing it off, freezing p,ayers all the time, he just couldn't throw the football nor should of he been expected to..if you have both running and passing skills in spades (Kaepernick) I see hesitation always being there, and the ability to scheme off it with different plays and formations will imo, always will be a step ahead...multidimensionaloffensivetheory...member that Pods..
     
  11. Boik14

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    Yeah GB's offense is weak at OL, particularly up the middle. We already have an all pro c, a good G in Richie and a few other options at rg that are adequate. The problem is our skill players suck.
     
  12. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I'd look at it more from side to side. Their right side, Sitton is one of the best guards in the league and Bulaga if healthy is fine, but the latter missed a lot of time with injuries. RT became a revolving door of players and even Lang had to be used there for a while due to injuries
    Center is an unknown going forward. After Dietrich-Smith took over for Saturday the interior improved
    Lang is an ok left guard, but Newhouse is one of the worst LTs in the league.
     
  13. RickyBobby

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    Nobody thinks Jerry can be RT?

    I would love to draft Cooper
    Martin-Cooper-Pouncey-Incognito-Jerry
     
  14. Da 'Fins

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    It was an exaggeration. No one has 72 inch arms.
     
  15. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Both of these are over-exaggerated. First, Smith played very well the past couple of years at Cinci. He's steadily improved.

    Second, the legal issues are minor (esp. given how every player runs into these issues). Marvin Lewis was quoted as saying: "Andre got involved in a dumb situation that caused him an embarrassment for a moment."
     
  16. mommabilly

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    You forget, Incognito is now a probowler so you have one probowler and 3 potential ones, not bad, not bad at all.
     
  17. mommabilly

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    IMO
    1 I do not feel comfortable with Martin at LT
    2 I do not want John Jerry on this football team if he is a tubbo. He has never impressed me one bit.
    3 I feel even more uncomfortable with Andre Smith as our LT, RT ? sure but certainly not worth 9 million a year at either tackles spot

    IMO, we now have 2 legit solid starters on the Oline, Pouncey and Incognito. It would be great if this Yeatman kid worked out. But as of right now, 2 are legit players, the rest at this point are also rans including Martin. I pray Martin makes me eat crow. LOL.
     
  18. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Andre Smith is wanting $9-10 million per season. That's not a reasonably priced right tackle. You don't pass on resigning Long only to give that money to Andre Smith.

    This is why fans don't make personnel decisions.
     
  19. CANDolphan

    CANDolphan Well-Known Member

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    Gosder Cherilus at 5 mil per is a much better bet than Smith for 8 per. Hell, even Jason Smith for 2 years at 4 per would be a great deal as well, as he's a pretty good RT.

    You'd absolutely have to shore up LG though. I'm not against Jerry playing RT, he was a damn fine LT for 3 games back in 2011.
     
  20. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Why the hell is Andre Smith suddenly an attractive option? I'm still trying to figure that one out.
     
  21. VanDolPhan

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    What about Phil Loadholt. I would love that guy.
     
  22. mommabilly

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    Because LOL I agree, the guy is a fat slob. He had one decent year, last year and it was decent at best and now he is great, wants 9 million a year and will replace Jake Long ?
    No, I would take an injured Jake over a healthy Andre Smith any day of the week.
     
  23. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I've never been a big fan of Loadholt and I'm even less a fan in Miami's current system.
     
  24. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Do we even know that Jake Long is injured? Do we even know that Jake Long has ANY lingering effects from injury whatsoever? It's like this great self-perpetuating myth that keeps snowballing based on more people believing it, without even knowing why they believe it.
     
  25. mommabilly

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    No one knows anything as Jake is still in rehab. First they have to make sure its healed properly and then the real work begins. Not to confuse Rehab and working out because its two different worlds. I would imagine right now his arm that had surgery is about half the size as the one that he did not have surgery on. Well, maybe not that small but there is most likely a huge difference. There is no way He can lift anything substantial or repetitive yet, no way. Its all about getting healed properly now and with the Oline available this year I do not see Jake getting anywhere close to the rumored 11 million a year he is asking.
     

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