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Reasonable Trade for a Wr?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Lee2000, Mar 7, 2013.

  1. Lee2000

    Lee2000 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Take out Megatron or Johnson in Houston etc., is there a decent wr that you think Miami might have a chance to get for the right combination of draft picks or players? Some have already mentioned a guy like Harvin. Anyone else guys?
     
  2. Boik14

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    Cards are gonna take a good sized cap hit for that and as much as i like fitz hes not exactly young. Not sure i like the idea of #12 for Fitz without getting some picks back.
     
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  3. rafael

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    There was a rumor that we were really close on a trade for Maclin last season. I don't know if that would still be a possibility with Kelly there.
     
  4. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Nate Washington would still be interesting although obviously you're not paying a lot for him.

    Kenny Britt would be a very Brandon Marshall-like acquisition. One of those things you just don't see coming because it seems to stand against what this front office stands for, and then suddenly he's been traded for and they start trying to convince everyone they did their research and are comfortable with him, etc. But he's an elephant in the room for a defense when he's on the field. Defenses have to pay attention. He averaged 10.0 yards per attempt as a rookie, 11.7 yards per attempt in his second year, 11.6 yards per attempt in 2011, but only 6.9 yards per attempt in 2012 with Jake Locker throwing the ball (I hated Locker as a prospect when he came out).

    Something's not jiving between Locker and Britt. I wonder if the Dolphins were to call the Titans about Nate Washington and the Titans may pivot the conversation to Kenny Britt.
     
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  5. slickj101

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    DHB from Oak would be interesting. I don't think he'd cost a whole lot at this point seeing as he's had injuries. His speed would be a nice consolation if we don't get Wallace.
     
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  6. Lee2000

    Lee2000 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Do you guys like the trade options more than the free agent options? That would include your honest opinion of Wallace and Jennings.
     
  7. slickj101

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    Who knows without the pricetag.
     
  8. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    As a general rule I don't want to to see us trade away draft picks. I want to see us use the draft as our primary means of obtaining talent. And, use FA judiciously and as necessary in order to fill the voids. That said, if we are talking about one of the elite, and/or the deal is too good to refuse, then by all means, I'm all for it.

    Perhaps Fitz for our second 2nd rounder this year, and a 3rd or 4th rounder next year? Like Boik said, he's starting to get a little long in the tooth. And like Aqua said, they need a lot of help on offense.

    NOTE: I really want to see us draft and develop our own talent. That's how the elite teams do it. Patterson, Patton, Swope, Bailey. We need to get at least one of those guys IMHO.
     
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  9. Lee2000

    Lee2000 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    True, but the price tag is generally high this time of year.
     
  10. Lee2000

    Lee2000 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I agree, but I think Ireland has a fire lit on his rear end to do something now, good or bad.
     
  11. gilv13

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    If the Cardinals traded Fitz, that fanbase would riot.
     
  12. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    The guy out in Oakland that I would investigate would be Jacoby Ford. He was acquired during the height of the Oakland Raiders' speed-fanaticism and you never know if Reggie McKenzie just doesn't see how the guy fits.

    I think Darius Heyward-Bey would be the obvious availability but the fact of the matter is, I don't think any team in the league would pay anything for him. They'd rather wait to see if he gets cut, and that's for the few teams that would give him a try.

    Jacoby Ford hasn't played a single down for this new coaching staff or front office. I bet they would listen to offers.

    Since getting drafted he's run 204 perimeter routes, been targeted 46 times with 26 catches for 494 yards and 1 TD. He's run 204 routes from the slot, with 36 attempts, 18 catches, 259 yards and 2 TDs. I think he's underrated as a perimeter threat, with 10.7 yards per attempt and 2.42 yards per route. He also had 5 drops out on the perimeter and while that may not look like a positive, it shows potential. According to PFF, 5 of the 6 drops he had in his whole career came as a rookie. He only dropped 1 ball versus 19 catches in 2011. If his drops in 2010 were just him being a rookie and if his later numbers held (5%) then you look at those 4 extra drops he had on the perimeter and wondering if shouldn't have had 570 yards on 30 catches and 46 attempts from the perimeter instead of 494 yards on 26 catches and 46 attempts.

    There's upside in him.
     
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  13. The G Man

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    That a very disconcerting thought Lee. I fear the outcome would not be good if true.
     
  14. Disgustipate

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    I really like Danario Alexander, but I'm not sure he is a great fit. He's more of a deep threat than anything, but he's a big guy who is good after the catch and might please both Ireland and Philbin in that regard. He's probably going to get a 1st round tender, but I'm not sure if that means you shouldn't try a lower pick.
     
  15. ckparrothead

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    Should be noted that Danario Alexander has had a lot of surgeries on his knees. There could be a short shelf life there.
     
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  16. TooGoodForDez

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    just cause I think everyone is for sale at the right price, and those are the next 2 beasts in the league.
    Other than that, just get Jennings for 3 years. Wait for the right moment to draft the #1. Keenan Allen is the #1 guy in this draft, and Hopkins is a good option for #1 as well. (DHB and Ford are not #1 receivers.)
     
  17. Phinfanjt

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    I'm sure Denver is just waiting to get rid of Thomas....or not. Same with Dallas with Bryant. They're not getting traded.

    The OP asked for "reasonable" trade targets. Neither of them are.
     
  18. Lee2000

    Lee2000 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I am not necessarily looking for a #1 receiver because this pass offense is a little different already (philosophically). It does need speed and Ford would bring that. I do like Hopkins, and to a lesser extent, Allen. Big assumption here is they will need time to develop. The question is does Ireland, the front office, or the coaching staff want a guy ready right now? We know Joe likes the draft.
     
  19. ckparrothead

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    I think I've mentioned him before but Leonard Hankerson would be a good trade target if the Redskins were for some reason willing to part with him. They gave Pierre Garcon big money, Josh Morgan is still under contract, Santana Moss isn't ready to hang it up and he's still producing, and Aldrick Robinson has been an interesting role player that could maybe do with a bump up. Worth investigating, maybe a phone call.

    And if they're not willing to deal him out then maybe ask about Aldrick Robinson. Low sample pool, but efficiency numbers are off the charts with him. Joe Morgan of the Saints is the same way but I think the Saints wouldn't part with him for anything.
     
  20. TooGoodForDez

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    I don't know what they want but I know what they should want: a redzone beast in addition to being a move-the-chains receiver at all 3 spots. Now if you can get world class speed in addition to that, that's gravy. I don't see Ford as such receiver. I think Jennings is, and is available without trades. Get Jennings and get 2 guys in the draft who are ready, to replace Bess and Hartline. That's what i would do cause I think it's doable in this FA and draft.
     
  21. Lee2000

    Lee2000 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    There are number of receivers considered to be well rounded in this draft, with Williams, Patton, and Hopkins being among them. Well rounded meaning decent speed, catching ability, and route running combined. I could live with two of these guys mentioned or others with similiar ability. I like that idea to some extent over a guy like Patterson (he is a risk in opinion, but payoff could be great) at 12.
     
  22. slickj101

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    Any team that wanted him but didn't have a high waiver priority would likely offer a late pick.

    Don't see how Ford would be worth more considering he just missed the entire season.
     
  23. Lee2000

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    I wouldn't offer a high pick, but I might consider a 5th round pick for him. Injuries aside, I recall he demonstrated some ability on the field.
     
  24. jw3102

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    The last WR Ireland traded for was Marshall. We all know how that worked out for the Dolphins. We ended up giving the Broncos two second round draft picks and two years later, all the Dolphins had to show for it is a non performing Egnew and a third round pick in this years draft. Based on his history of trading for, drafting , or signing WR's in free agency. I would prefer Ireland not make any more trades when it comes to the WR position.
     
  25. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I knew this post would have nothing to do with the question.
     
  26. ckparrothead

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    Ford is more worth considering because he's an efficient player. Darius Heyward-Bey has been out on the field and getting opportunities purely because of his draft status. He's run 1642 routes and produced 2071 yards on 281 attempts. Those are bad numbers. Jacoby Ford has been on the field 408 routes with 82 attempts in his direction, yet produced 753 yards. Those are much better numbers. And especially if you consider the breakdown of how Ford has done on the outside as opposed to the slot, it would suggest that spending 50% of his time in the slot has not been a good thing for him. He's small and so naturally a team thinks to use him in the slot, but he was a little straight line-ish in college and he's probably better used on the outside. Heyward-Bey, doesn't matter particularly whether he's in the slot or the outside he still just sucks.
     
  27. slickj101

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    He's an efficient player who's only played half his career bc of injuries. Lisfranc injuries at that.

    DHB just sucks lol Very professional analysis.
     
  28. PhinsRDbest

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    I would love a Davone Bess for Jermichael Finley trade. Makes sense for both sides, both players have 1 year left. I would extend 3 to 4 more years.
     
  29. TooGoodForDez

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    I agree, but I think Hopkins is the best of the 3, meaning if you get Hopkins, the other 3 are automatically not #1 and you have to find a spot for them.
    As far as Patterson, the only risk with him is that he is a #2 WR type, and fanbase will not be understanding of that pick because fanbase expect Megatron at that pick, but they are OK with drafting some corner at 12. But as far as production, I have no worries, matter of fact I'd be super psyched with Patterson, you put him on the left split end or flank and enjoy the next 8 years. He is big, he is strong, he is fast, he is quick, he adjust to ball well, he can box out in the redzone. He is great.
    As far as Green Bay offense, Williams and Woods seem to fit the prototype the best.
     
  30. Shamboubou

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    Could you imagine having Wallace and Harvin on the field at the same time? Talk about taking the top off of a defense.
     
  31. CaribPhin

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    Jake Locker is a terrible QB.
     
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    Its a sin about this kids injuries. The kid could have been a phenom. 6 ft 5 in 217 lbs and can fly. If cut, I would take a flyer on the kid as many teams would do because he would not cost much. Really, this kid could have been one of the best in the league. I had read somewhere after the Rams drafted him that part of his knee problem was some sort of degenerative type disease.
     
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    I didn't. Brandon Marshal could not shine Larry Fitsgeralds shoes both on the field and off the field. Fitzgerald hasn't had someone decent to throw to him since Warner. Brandon Marshal was a stone punk child.
     
  34. PhinsRDbest

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    I'd take Britt over Bess or Hartline. But if they're gonna get someone with suspect character, why not trade for both Britt and Harvin. Would make KB kick a baby panda. Imagine if it worked out, though.
     
  35. P h i N s A N i T y

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    Jacoby would love to come home.
     
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  36. MrClean

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    I didn't riot, but I think Ireland should have had Marshall's replacement locked up before trading him or else been committed to taking a WR in the 2nd round.
     
  37. ToddPhin

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    Ford has significant upside if he can stay on the field, near Steve Smith type upside. The 2 fastest receivers in the game on the field together would certainly be interesting.
     

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