Nothing can dramatically derail a season as much as a quarterback injury. Likewise, it's also insurance if Ryan Tannehill doesn't pan out. What does that mean? The fans were wrong? Matt Moore's game last year confirms things you already know. It's only one game, but given that it's completely in line with what he did the season before on the same team and much like how he has performed when he has played well in the past, you've got a pretty good idea what you have with Matt Moore. It also could theoretically serve to confirm the idea that Moore is a crappy practice player who shows up better when the lights go on.
Really I just think we've got to wait for the whole plan to unfold and then we'll kind of be able to make judgments about what they were able to do or not do. However if someone is nervous based on certain developments, such as having to franchise Randy Starks ($8.45 million) instead of paying him a longer term deal that would have averaged less money ($6 to $7 million), giving Brian Hartline $6.2 million a year, and giving Matt Moore $4.0 million a year...I'm not going to blame people for getting nervous about the implications of those things. The Dolphins appear to have about $23 to 24 million left to play with and so we'll just have to see how that comes out. Could still come out really good. Paying a little too much for Starks, a little too much for Hartline and a little too much to Moore don't ruin an off season when you started with $45 million.
Again with the double standard. I was at camp last year and Moore was indeed the 3rd wheel. On the depth chart and on the field. However, Garrard never made it to the first preseason or regular season game. Yet you say he was clearly beating Moore out. On the other hand, Richard Marshall was the starter in camp and all the way up until Vontae was traded. But you insist that Marshall was brought in as a back up and Vontae is yet to be replaced. If Garrard starting for a a few practices means be "beat out" Moore doesn't that mean Davis was beaten out by Marshall as well? Your stance that VD was never replaced is bunk, according to the Moore-Garrard standard.
Or it could've just been one game and he could look like crap if pressed to play more games, as he did in training camp.
You never know how the chips fall in the draft though. Also, all it takes is a Brady-like injury in week one for any starter and Ireland is getting a call. It may be expensive, but as mentioned, they may not be fully confident in Devlin. Locking up Moore gives MIA an extra year to groom Devlin with an insurance policy, and potentially turn that policy into a nice ROI if a team, more so a playoff caliber team becomes needy at QB. So, I don't believe they signed Moore with the intention of trading him, but it may become a possibility that MIA can cash in on. If not, they feel they have the cap room to keep him as a backup to mentor Tannehill and Devlin.
I think the FO is doing what it has to do, based off of the market... Agents yapping in Ireland's ear. He wants to keep what we need and move on without distractions. What leverage does he have? I'm hoping by this afternoon we hear that Fasano is resigned as well. Long and Smith??? IDK??? Wallace, and Keller and/or Cook, Winston, (FA CB/FS?) draft Patterson, and a cb and we're set!
I've fully acknowledged that in the eyes of the coaching staff Richard Marshall "beat out" Vontae Davis before they traded him. You've yet to acknowledge that David Garrard "beat out" Matt Moore. So, who is the one who has the double standard here? Clearly you. It doesn't change the fact that when they signed Marshall they had him in mind for the nickel corner position, and that to this day no they have not replaced Vontae Davis because they do not have a corner on roster who is as good as Vontae Davis was for the Miami Dolphins.
Yet you still haven't named a better backup? And it's pretty simple-minded to think that just bc people like this deal means they wouldn't be open to trading him.
There's a pretty clear track record of him playing ****ty in camp. He couldn't beat out Chad Henne in 2011, and he couldn't beat out a godawful Jake Delhomme or Josh McCown in 2009.
That's true. It could have just been that. I'm generally skeptical though of the player who practices poorly and plays well on Sunday, especially at that position. If you're wondering why I'm skeptical about that argument, and always have been, that's why.
I actually think this is a sign that Devlin isn't what they want in a backup and will be moving forward this draft to getting a proper development QB.
It ought to be. It does lead me to wonder why they weren't a little more serious about finding a quality developmental guy though, better than a UDFA.
Even after all the re-signings so far I'll be amazed if the Dolphins have less than $30M in cap space, are you including draft signings in the amount above?Even so, we should still have more than $26M in space accounting for rookies. I'm not sure why you keep subtracting the average amount of a deal from the cap this year when you know fine well that the cap doesn't work like that. Are you deliberately trying to make all our moves seem worse than they really are because IMHO it certainly seems like it.
I like Matt Flynn, Nick Foles, Jason Campbell, Shaun Hill, Dan Orlovsky, Kyle Orton, Kirk Cousins, Colt McCoy, T.J. Yates and Matt Hasselbeck at least as much as I like Matt Moore, in terms of backup quarterbacks. Moore is not special, he doesn't separate from that group, IMO.
If Marshall leapfrogged Davis on the depth chart then clearly he was viewed as his replacement by the coaching staff. VD didn't lose his job bc he was trade bait, he was trade bait because he lost his job. As for Garrard, WADR what planet are you on? Whatta you think training camp is for? It's to determine who the best guys to go into the season with are, not to see who looks good in shorts. If Garrards knee was a problem in camp with zero contact that speaks for itself. If you can't handle training then you sure as hell can't handle combat. Moore beat Garrard out based on his ability to stay healthy alone. Moore got 4 mill to be a proven, quality backup. In a year where many say he was the best FA QB available. I suppose you can make an arguement fill for how that is too much to pay for a back up. But if you're going to also argue that it was a good idea for Seattle to pay twice as much for a Flynn to do the same job, because they mistakenly thought he was a starter before he was beaten out, no knee injury involved, during training camp? I admire your ability use the thinnest of threads to weave a fine arguement.
You seem to act like you know You are critical about the amount spent on him but think he might have stayed for 2 million or about that. Why do i think you are overly critical of every move and like to play the hindsight game?
None of those guys except for Campbell are currently FA's though. Some might be cut, but would you rather that they wait to see who might become available?
I have to agree on all your points. I didn't expect Moore to sign with the Dolphins because I thought he would rather go to a team which would give him a chance to be the starter. He obviously must think that he wouldn't be given a legitimate chance to be a starter with another team. Since he is happy in Miami and the Dolphins still want him as their backup, he decided to stay put. Of course getting a two year contract for 8 million dollars as a backup must have been the main incentive for him to stay, but who can blame him.
Actually I know very well how the salary cap works, thank you. Yes I intentionally subtract the AVERAGE amounts from the salary cap because you must think in longer term averages in order to avoid "cap hell" as they call it. You can't just make money paid to a guy disappear. It's going to be expensed. And now more than any other time in the NFL's history, salary cap space is completely time-neutral because it is freely and easily transferrable from one year to the next. A dollar paid is a dollar paid. So yes, I know exactly what I'm doing when I subtract averages from the salary cap figure. Do you know what YOU are doing by only trying to count the initial year's cap hit? As for the figures involved, we had $37 million after the Randy Starks tag. That much was widely reported. Brian Hartline's average is $6.2 million and Matt Moore's average is $4.0 million, and as I've been speaking with Ben Volin about the more precise impact of rookies (he does a good job researching this stuff), I subtracted about another $3 million for rookies. So yes, functionally speaking I believe Miami has about another $23 or $24 million to work with.
I told you what offer I'd have made. You said he'd probably leave if you offered that. I said "probably". But that "probably" isn't a certainty. As for why you think a certain way about me, that's more your problem than it is mine.
Well the point is not, nor ever was, that I would sign some other backup to be here instead of Matt Moore. The point was why not Pat Devlin, and if Pat Devlin isn't the guy then why have we been wasting two years developing a UDFA when we could've been developing someone more talented who could've been the guy.
None of those guys have spent a year in our offense, or two years earning respect in our locker room. Most of them aren't available. That doesn't count as seperation?
This board was calling for Moore to be cut last year, with Devlin taking #3. I was one of his fans so I thought it was ridiculous. So I just take the current board sentiment (great signing!) as y'all flip flopping back to my original, correct position.
lol Please point out the people posting in this thread who called for Moore to be cut last year. Thanks.
My opinion is that any resource spent to make Tanny comfortable and more apt to properly develop is a resource well spent. Moore's contract may be a tad pricey but it isn't ridiculous and keeping around a vet QB that it appears Tanny has a good rapport with is worth it. Ditto with Hartline. Its a reason I desperately want Swope in the draft as well. If the next 2-3 years go right for Tanny then the next ten after that we'll be reaping the benefits and no one is gonna give a damn about a couple extra million spent.
Maybe they still think Devlin is still worth developing, but not quite ready? I have no clue..just spit-ballin'
Not ready to start, I get. Not ready to even be the backup, though? It's not exactly as if Tannehill has shown a tendency toward injuries in college/pro all told.
IMO, one of the jobs of a back up quarterback is to be a second eye on the field. The best back up quarterbacks are almost like a 2nd coach out there. One of the reason Jason Garrett had such a long career. part of the reason could be bringing Moore back is that Tannehill is comfortable with him, and to help in his development. Even if Devlin is ready to take up the back up role, I don't think he is ready to take up a mentor type role.
http://www.thephins.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1353142 It's friday if you want to see it, you can do it.
Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms. Oh wait you want me to actually help you prove what appears to be a non-existent point? Yea, I'd rather not do that.
Again, it's dumb to think just bc people are happy he was re-signed that they wouldn't trade him if the right deal came along.
I don't understand why disagreement with what the Dolphins do, no matter how slight, has to be turned into such a BFD.
I remember a blog post, might have been Omar or Armando last week, saying that Tannehill had asked Moore to come back and Mike Sherman had been in contact with him 5 times that week to try and convince him to stay.
I'm with you on that. I think they gave him a chance to show it for a year and it didn't work out. I think somewhere between round 5-7 we pick a QB. Someone with great physical traits that they can mold into either a quality backup or trade bait.
