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Mike Wallace thread

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by BlameItOnTheHenne, Mar 6, 2013.

  1. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    I bring up Alvin Harper again. IMO, Alvin Harper is the best comparison and most likely outcome of signing Mike Wallace to a big contract. Harper was a very productive guy on limited targets in Dallas playing with Troy Aikman and opposite Michael Irvin. Tampa Bay signed him to be their go to guy. He was a complete flop out of that system and out of that situation.

    [video=youtube;NE8f4jQU8xM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE8f4jQU8xM[/video]
     
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  2. Den54

    Den54 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Flip Flop much?
     
  3. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    I am not a fan of Wallace. And any one receiver alone will not put the Phins over the top. We need to revamp the whole receiving corp.
     
  4. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Receivers don't put teams over the top anyway.
     
  5. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    I think they do in this offense and with this QB
     
  6. Fin-Omenal

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    The Alvin Harper comparison is a joke, and used too try and make your HATE for Wallace valid. There is very very few similarities in those 2 guys games.

    Who did Wallace play "opposite" that has made him productive? Nobody.
     
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  7. Fin-Omenal

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    Also go to YouTube and you can see all 32 of Mikes TDs....I counted 3 that were the result of Big Ben avoiding sacks and extending plays.

    What he will miss in Ben is a guy who can throw it up there and let Wallace go get it.

    Many of those "overthrows" some of you blame Tanny for?? TDs too Mike Wallace.
     
  8. Disgustipate

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    I don't know how easy it is to accurately compare the situations. I don't really know much of the specifics of something nearly 20 years ago, but I think you've got to be inappropriately pessimistic to compare the Dolphins ability to utilize a specific receivers talent to that of a Trent Dilfer helmed team. I mean, why isn't he Joey Galloway?
     
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  9. Stitches

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    I would have possibly went with Peerless Price instead of Harper, but that may have been worse since they used a 1st rd pick and 7yr, $37.5M contract (although $5.5M/yr doesn't seem all that much now).
     
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  10. alen1

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    I am not in a position to answer one way or another.

    Latter IMO.

    That's because they are usually asked to do more than they can or are just flat out busts. Wide receivers in general have the highest bust rate of any position.
     
  11. TooGoodForDez

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    This is the perfect comparison to Cordarrelle Patterson, a perfect #2 WR, just tremendous. (Both Tennessee products, Alvin pick #12 of the Cowboys, fantastic #2 WR.) Kudos!
     
  12. Fin D

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    I generally agree with you about the level of WR importance, but I think there needs to be a caveat in your quoted statement.

    ...unless the team has only had 2 competent WRs and neither of which are legitimate #1s. In that case, one excellent WR (like a Jennings) can certainly push us into the next level.
     
  13. Fin-Omenal

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    Too think Ireland would sign A 11+ Million dollar Wr against his coaches wishes just seems preposterous to me.

    Bust in the draft or FA? I know it's a position teams overreact on, Laurent Robinson is a great example of that.
     
  14. KB21

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    Antonio Brown and Hines Ward, both of which are better, more complete receivers.
     
  15. KB21

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    I don't disagree that the team had nothing relative to a third receiving threat, and that certainly would have helped out Ryan Tannehill. I doubt it would have effected the win column though. Why? Because this team has serious problems relative to their coverage and ability to take the ball away from the opposition on defense. This team also has an offensive line that is in the process of transitioning from a man on man style of power blocking scheme to a zone blocking scheme that requires them to move their feet and get out on the second level to block.
     
  16. Bpk

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    Some interesting bites: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...-steelers-free-agent-todd-haley-franchise-tag

     
  17. KB21

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    http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/...e_but_will_they_show_Mike_Wallace_money030713

    Poor route runner....not strong after the catch.....sounds like a perfect fit for the West Coast Offense.
     
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  18. Bpk

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    Fun little offseason drills with Chad O, Antonio Brown and Mike Wallace. What do you think of their footwork, hips, cutting ability etc?

    The knock on Wallace is always sloppy routes, poor cuts, etc. Does it show here too?

    [video=youtube;QcffMecIwDA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcffMecIwDA[/video]
     
  19. KB21

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    Yes, particularly on the sharp breaking cuts. He was clearly slower in his cuts that Johnson and Brown. BJGE was almost as fast cutting as Wallace was.
     
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  21. jdang307

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    Yes, because Tom Brady with Randy Moss and Wes Welker was identical to Brady with Reche Caldwell and Troy Brown.

    And this is coming from someone who thinks WR (along with LT) are vastly overrated.
     
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  22. KB21

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    My guess is, the pressure is coming from Stephen Ross. I just don't see Joe Philbin wanting to change a system that he knows works well to suit a player that does not fit that system.
     
  23. Stringer Bell

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    My guess is that the pressure is coming from Wallace's agent.
     
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  25. TooGoodForDez

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    I'd trade Matt Moore for Santonio
     
  26. unifiedtheory

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    Tom Brady won a Super Bowl with David Givens and David Patten as his two leading receivers, he won nothing with Welker and Moss.
     
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    So, if we don't overpay the guy it's a "failed offseason".

    Is it still a "failed offseason" if we plug a few holes (tackle, tight end, secondary), draft a couple of receivers and become a playoff team?

    It's ****ing media hyperbole. I personally don't want anything to do with Wallace. I'm certainly not willing to accept making him the highest paid player in the sport at his position. He was not even CLOSE to being the best player on hs own damn team at his position.
     
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  28. Stringer Bell

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    This is how agents operate. Try and paint GMs into a corner so they have to pay up.
     
  29. ToddPhin

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    Brady also had a top NFL defense behind him then. just sayin. If he had that defense in 2007, Miami owns the 2nd best undefeated season.
     
  30. MrClean

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    And the 1st ranked and 2nd ranked defenses in 2003 and 2004.
     
  31. ToddPhin

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    ha ha beat you to it! :p
     
  32. KB21

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    So what you are saying is that a strong defense has more of an effect on winning than stud receivers? Thanks for making my point about the limited impact that receivers have on winning.
     
  33. Rouk

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    you guys can hose me as the Hartline hater brigade but not signing wallace will not mean a failed off-season. However if we go with Hartline as the number 1 again then it definitely becomes a failed off-season. I'm not against Wallace like some I would probably rather have him than Jennings due to injury reasons and age but its hard to say if hes a head case or not at this point. I also wouldn't be that mad if we used our 1st pick on a wr and tried to pick up a safety or corner in FA instead of the draft which seems like the opposite of what there current plan is looking like. I think they most likely go corner 1st pick but this really hinges on them signing a top wr FA.
     
  34. ToddPhin

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    well of course an 11 man defense has a greater affect on winning than 1 or 2 receivers; they have the power of numbers in their corner, but that doesn't deemphasize the importance of receiver ability in this day and age. There's a handful of incredibly talented teams in the NFL on any given year; to think we can compete with them w/o great receivers is short-sighted IMO. Heck, the Giants needed a great defense AND great receivers to win their last SB. They couldn't have done it on defense & QB play alone that's for sure.
     
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  35. Fin-Omenal

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    No. You can thank mediocrity for that.
     
  36. Lee2000

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    Outside of Miami that is the popular view. I didn't say that was my view, but it is the common view outside Miami.
     
  37. jdang307

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    Sean Salisbury does. Lol.
     
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  38. jdang307

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    The Ravens won with Trent Dilfer at QB. So that means you don't Brady, Marino, Manning, Rodgers, none of that.

    The Patriots were a Tyree catch away from perfection, the best season Ever. As phinsational points out lost on everyone is the excellent running game and top notch defense the Patriots had during those super bowl runs.

    Fact of the matter is, the Patriots look washed up in 2006 losing to Manning finally, with an offense that looked pretty inept.

    Even though they lost in the final minutes you're not fooling anyone if you don't think their WR put that offense over the top.
     
  39. ckparrothead

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    The only reason I don't buy the system fit argument is because if the Dolphins are paying $13 million a year for a guy then they're going to mold their system to fit him.

    I'm just surprised Mike Sherman and Joe Philbin are willing to do that.
     
  40. ToddPhin

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    maybe they're opting for the lesser of two evils between having less talent at WR and sticking more to scheme verse more talent at WR and tweaking scheme. ??
     

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