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Mike Wallace thread

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by BlameItOnTheHenne, Mar 6, 2013.

  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Either way I think it's a big departure for them.
     
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  2. jdang307

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    Can Davone Bess run every route?
     
  3. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    And I'll add, it's not always good to take coaches out of their comfort zones that way. See: Dan Henning & Brandon Marshall.
     
  4. Vengeful Odin

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    The next time Bess runs a fly route will be his first. Other than that he's very solid underneath, IMO.
     
  5. Nomina #76

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    When I see Mike Wallace I see What Ted Ginn could have been with a QB who loved to throw the long ball.

    That is not a compliment for Mike Wallace.
     
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  6. Dolphins1Beatles

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    Wallace probably had more TDs last season (8) than our WRs combined the past 2 seasons. I know they only had 3 TDs in 2012. Minus Roethlisberer for a few games.
     
  7. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Sean Salisbury is a douche bag.
     
  8. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    He can run a fly route, just not very well, if separation is a consideration. :)
     
  9. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Good coaches can do that. Philbin is a good coach. Adapt their schemes to fit their player's strengths. JMO
     
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  10. Lee2000

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    My idea of what would be an interesting wr corp for Miami would be Austin (west va) and a guy like Bailey added to Bess and Hartline, and maybe a kid like Matthews developing more. You could say any combination of a speed guy with a a good route runner. I am torn about Wallace. Lot of money there. I might be more inclined to go with a right tackle, tight end, maybe a couple of corners, and trade for a wr, or just draft the guys you need. I do like the depth in this draft in that 2nd to 4th round range. Wallace is a decent wr, but he did have a bit of a down year last year. I like Hartline, Bess, Austin, and any one of the good route runners available in the 2nd or 3rd round.
     
  11. dwhorton

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    all things being equal between wallace and harvin. give me wallace no question. but please add stedman bailey to the wr corps. no matter which/if one we get. hey i'll take welker b4 i would want harvin. apparently welker doesn't have as high opinion of himself as harvin does. welker is way more productive way less headaches and way less money.
     
  12. Sceeto

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    Darlington was on NFLN saying that the dolphins are planning to make a strong push for Wallace. He said he's been told that they don't have interest in Jennings. He said they are definitely going for Wallace. FWIW.
     
  13. GMJohnson

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    This.

    Im Soooo tired of the stupid *** arguments. Last year we rolled with Bess, Hartline, Armstrong, Gaffney, Nannee, Matthews, Binns, etc. and the staff presumably adapted the scheme to fit those guys' strengths. But Mike Wallace? Nah. Can't win with him. Can't play with him.

    Seriously, our organization doesn't have the brain power to make an educated guess as to how Wallace will fit in the offense and devise a plan to maximize his talents if he comes here? Even if by most accounts he is our top offseason FA target? Gtfohwtbs.
     
  14. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    That's such a cliche statement, because the fact of the matter is the majority of coaches at every level have a system they work with, and they find players to fit into that system. Bill Belichick is the only coach in the NFL right now that I can think of that legitimately alters what he does scheme wise to fit certain talent into the scheme.

    Look at Joe Philbin. We like to sit here and talk about he adapted what he did in Green Bay to his talent in Miami. Well, if he was that adaptable in Miami, why didn't he use Reggie Bush in the passing game more and less as a runner? It was beyond obvious that the key for Reggie making plays is to get him in space, and the best way of doing that was to get him isolated on a linebacker in short passing sets. Also, a weakness of his is downhill running, yet we spent a big portion of the year trying to make him a zone runner before using more man to man power concepts when we ran him late in the year. So there is one example of a player who wasn't utilized in a way to make him the most successful because the things he does well from a running back position are not really utilized by Joe Philbin and Mike Sherman in their version of the West Coast Offense.

    Look at the way Anthony Fasano was used. They did not maximize what they have in him since he is not the kind of tight end that can flex out or line up in the backfield with any regularity.

    Even at the college level, coaches love to talk about how they adapt, but do they really? A guy like Urban Meyer targets top notch players that fit his system. In fact, Urban and Dan Mullen run the same system. There was an athlete in the 2011-12 recruiting year from Tampa Bay named Brandon Holloway that committed to Dan Mullen. When Urban got the Ohio State job, he came after Holloway. Why? Because he projects as a Percy Harvin/Tavon Austin type H receiver in that system. He's that smaller, but exceptionally quick and fast type of hybrid player that fits their system. Holloway ended up keeping his commitment to Mississippi State and will be one to watch as we go forward.
     
  15. Larryfinfan

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    I think like most that Irish will make a strong run at Wallace...He's the cream of the FA crop, but like all FAs, comes with a caveat. Does he fit as well as Jennings, no, but Jennings doesn't scare defenses like Wallace does, despite his flaws...That said, I also think they go WR in the first round even IF they get Wallace/Jennings....I think they look at Keenan Allen or Cordarelle Patterson in the first round.

    One thing that Irish is, is stubborn. If he has it in his mind that he needs to add play-makers, he likely will try even if it means doubling up in FA and the draft...a guy like Patterson (although I personally like Allen better) could be added and and next year be ready to blossom in this offense with Bess most logically moving on....just a random thought of mine...
     
  16. KB21

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    IMO, Tavon Austin is their target in the 1st round.
     
  17. Larryfinfan

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    Really, isn't he more of a slot receiver ?? He's got the speed, but is 12 a little high for him ??
     
  18. SICK

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    Talk about dangerous. Wallace, hartline, Austin, bess, miller. With tannehill having ability to run, that's tough to defend.
     
  19. KB21

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    That's the debate on him. It's more dot connecting than anything. Miami's scouts and Jeff Ireland have done a lot of work on scouting West Virginia this year. In fact, I think they've visited WVU and watched them play more than any other team this year. Ireland was a big Percy Harvin fan in 2009, and I'm thinking he sees a little bit smaller version of Harvin when he sees Austin, and I think Joe Philbin could be seeing a smaller version of Randall Cobb. Hopefully, Austin can make the transition and play the outside receiver positions as well as those two can, because he is going to need to step up in 2 years when we are begging someone to take Wallace's contract off our hands.
     
  20. Gitrdone

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    If we get Wallace, I would so go Patterson/Austin/Eifert in the first round, anyone of those 3 would be good.
     
  21. Steve-Mo

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    I think a lot of people are setting themselves up for disappointment by thinking they're going to go after a guy like Wallace or Jennings and draft a receiver in the 1st round. I think a few have even went further and wanted another guy in the 2nd as well. It seems unlikely to me. I bet they sign a decent FA, draft a guy early, and get a project late (as vague as that is).

    Edit: And by decent I don't mean Mike Wallace.
     
  22. Disgustipate

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    Yeah, but personnel packages with three wide receivers are the predominant offensive package in the NFL now, and that's a path I'm sure Sherman/Philbin would be good with and there's no outstanding investments you're really neglecting by going in that direction.
     
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  23. schmolioot

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    Seems to me when you don't have enough good players the guy who picks the players is the responsible party.

    Crazy right?
     
  24. Fin D

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    If the food sucks is it the cook or the guy buying the ingredients?
     
  25. PSG

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    But isn't the guy buying the ingredients also in charge of finding a good cook?
     
  26. Fin D

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    Not necessarily.

    Ireland didn't hire Sparano, Parcells did. Ireland & Sparano didn't get to follow their own recipes, they had to follow Parcells.
     
  27. PSG

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    He hired Philbin and we still went 7-9.
    Whatever, I'm suppose to be on Ireland hiatus until the offseason ends.
    You know what I was getting at, just as much as I know what you are trying to say.....we've had this convo before me thinks.
     
  28. Fin D

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    Would you agree there's more than one way to arrive at a 7-9 record or is it always just a matter of the players suck?
     
  29. PSG

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    There are many, many ways.
    But wouldn't you agree that one of the ways is that the players just aren't very good? Or there aren't enough of said good players?
     
  30. Desides

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    For one year, yes.

    But going 7-9, 7-9, 6-10, 7-9 for four straight seasons? That's personnel.
     
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  31. Fin D

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    Of course its a possibility. And if it happens again, then its confirmed Ireland is the problem. But when you've had to buy ingredients for an Italian restaurant and then the restaurant becomes a Chinese restaurant, your previous ingredients might need to be gotten rid of, even if they were very best you could get.
     
  32. Fin D

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    No its not. Its a jump to conclusions.

    You're forgetting an entire and complete coaching change to brand new systems on offense and defense.
     
  33. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's quarterbacking, and in there have hardly been massive sins committed there.
     
  34. PSG

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    Fair enough.
    I've slowly, but not completely bought into your logic. You couldsay you've brainwashed me.
    Like I said before, I am giving Ireland this offseason to see what happens.

    However, IMO, he is already 0-1 in the transactions dept.
     
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  35. Fin D

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    lol, come to the darkside, we have cookies.

    What transaction are you upset about? Me, I'm not thrilled with Hartline but I understand it.
     
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  36. Sethdaddy8

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    I think we need to wait to judge the Hartline signing. See who it did or did not cost us.
     
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  37. PSG

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    I do love cookies.

    It is Hartline. 6.5 mil for Hartline doesn't make any sense to me. It's about a 2 to 2.5 mil overpayment, IMO. I get that he is Tannehill security blanket and all that. But sometimes you have to take the training wheels off your kids bike so he can grow and start riding faster.
    Like I said in another thread, we just paid 6.5 mil per TD or 250k per fall down.
     
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  38. WhiteIbanez

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    I know what you mean.
    God damn Ireland should have went out and won a SB with a rookie HC , a new staff, and a rookie QB.
    He has blown it already. Just give up now and fire them all.
    Dolphin fans are so ridiculous.
     
  39. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    True. Like I said, I understand why we did it, I just don't like it.

    But hey, if we get Jennings and draft Bailey and Swope, I'll be so happy I'll send you the last two picture tiles you need to complete the nude mosaic of me in your den.
     
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  40. PSG

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    Yep. Exactly what I said.
    Good job, bro:up:
     

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