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Mike Wallace thread

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by BlameItOnTheHenne, Mar 6, 2013.

  1. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    Let me know when Ginn or Gates catch 10 tds. Fyi the fins were pretty bad at getting to the red zone. We need playmakers. Touchdowns. Wallace does that. This system stuff is ridiculous. The Dolphins run the same routes everyone else, including Pitt run.
     
  2. sports24/7

    sports24/7 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The notion that Wallace only runs deep routes is simply not true. He's a guy that can also take a short pass and create long yardage. He's not a polished route runner, but he's far better than Ted Ginn or Clyde Gates. There's more to being a good deep threat than simply speed, and Wallace is the best deep threat in the NFL.
     
  3. Sceeto

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    I'm sure they will be able to incorporate his specialty in the offense. I don't like when people speak of the WC offense as one specific, unchangeable, single style of offense. Yes, that may be their base philosophy and that's from where their most of their experience comes, but today most teams, on O and D mix up and incorporate different elements from many different styles. You don't want some dinosaur who can only run one style and with no "me" guys, etc. Hell, it was the king of the WC teams that drafted T.O. And different from Gates, Wallace has actually been productive before. Gates was a joke.
     
  4. Gunner

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  5. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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  7. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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  8. CANDolphan

    CANDolphan Well-Known Member

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    If you are sincerely asking yourself what separates Mike Wallace from Ted Ginn and Clyde Gates (Ginn is 10 times better than Gates) then you simply don't need to bother with worrying about this stuff. Just watch the fun football game and see if the one guy can run fast and catch the ball.
     
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  9. sports24/7

    sports24/7 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Tannehill?
     
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  10. Nomina #76

    Nomina #76 Season Ticket Holder

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    FYI... That's why I said the Phins weren't good in the red zone.

    We keep adding the speedy WR's and it keeps not working. What a young QB needs is targets who make themselves big. Wallace is fast, that is great, but he isn't someone who is going to go up and bring the pass down over a CB. I certainly would love it if it works, but for the price it will take to bring him in I am not sure it makes sense.
     
  11. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Our redzone TD scoring pct (not totals) was something like 9th in the league. We just couldn't get there often enough. That tells me we were worse between the 20s.
     
  12. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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  13. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Oh no you didn't.
     
  14. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I'd say Wallace is fine on all verticals, fly, post, corner, etc. He is also fine on bubble screens, slants, drags, and comebacks, hooks etc. If he is marginal it's on square outs and square in routes.
     
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  15. Nomina #76

    Nomina #76 Season Ticket Holder

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    Wow, appreciate the condescension there buddy.

    I am expressing an opinion that a player who is generally one dimensional is not worth the price tag of one of the highest non-QB's in the NFL. I hardly think that makes me an idiot. I am not saying that Ginn and Wallace are of equal ability, mearly that we have gone down this route before and it didn't suddenly make us awesome. In fact there are many teams to go down these route every year and it doesn't work.
     
  16. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's the point. Agreed he could have laid off the condescension, but the fact you think Wallace is one dimensional like Ginn and Edmond shows that you are wrong.

    There is a reason he caught 1,200 yards and 10 TDs. There is a reason he was that effective, with the whole league knowing, he was Hulk and the Steelers told him to Smash. You can't just run straight really fast and catch balls in this league. Ask Teddy Ginn. Ask Clyde Gates. Ask Yamon Figurs. Ask David Clowney.

    Etc. etc.
     
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  17. Mexphin

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    That pretty much changes the receiving core dynamic. If they choose to add a TE that can run as well (Jared Cook) or Keller, that's an entirely different offense. Speed, possession receivers, and enough north-south running RBs to run in that spread look plus a mobile quarterback and a mobile offensive line.
     
  19. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    $12.5 mil a year. That's not far above what it was expected to take to sign him. We'd have him till he is 32 years old. The prime years of his career most likely.
     
  20. Larryfinfan

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    Kool.... I'm just tryin to stay off the negative of each and every move until we see how things pan out...I mean, it's not like FA lasts one day and we technically aren't even there yet, but there seems to be a lot of complaining on a contract, that while seems a bit high to us because we've watched the kid for 4 yrs, is really close to in line with #2 WRs....
     
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  21. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    If true, I'd be excited and scared at the same time... if that makes sense.
     
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  22. ToddPhin

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    yes. That's exactly how I felt when you invited me over to watch movies.... 'cept w/o the excited part.
     
  23. ToddPhin

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    what worries me about this is if we'll be tied into paying a guy big bucks who relies heavily on speed (wether he'll be able to maintain his speed edge at 30+ years old).
     
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  24. Mexphin

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    Why scared?
     
  25. ToddPhin

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    Well, if this is the case, we essentially swapped Brandon Marshall for Mike Wallace but netted 2 3rd round picks for it.
     
  26. rafael

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    If true, I'm not a fan of the move b/c I'm not sure he's a great fit (or the money), but I also didn't like the Bush signing when it happened. I can recognize that I'm not always right and I'm not going to make outlandish statements for or against Ireland like many on this board do. I'll wait and see how he actually ends up fitting before I applaud or criticize the move. I'd like to think that this was pre-discussed with Philbin. That would make me feel a lot better about his fit in the offense, not to mention that I would hope that the GM and the coach are always talking about potential additions and subtractions.
     
  27. slickj101

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    In Philbin I trust. If he thinks he can make the offense work w Wallace then I'll assume he's right til I see otherwise.

    And if we take him while Jennings is still out there I have even more faith in the move.
     
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  28. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...e-wallace-receiver-pittsburgh-steelers-030913

     
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  29. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I'll believe when I see it... I hope he's not using us to get more money out of his preferred destination. Time will only tell.
     
  30. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    The sheer amount of money we've invested and how much it could negatively affect our cap.
     
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  31. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    That's OK... I just invite you to make Paul jealous...
     
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  32. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Coach Joe is the man. Just like Bum Phillips said about Bear Bryant and later about Don Shula, he can take his'n and beat you'n and he can take you'n and beat his'n. :up:

    Some others may have said it was a cliche when I said this yesterday, but good coaches can adapt their schemes to fit the strengths and compensate for the weaknesses of their players. Joe is a good coach.
     
  33. King Felix

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    its been awhile since we've had someone as exciting as Wallace.
     
  34. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    That's in the back of my mind too.
     
  35. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    he's using you to get more out of me. :shifty:
     
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  36. Tin Indian

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    I am warming up to the idea of Wallace being here. I have had real concerns that he is only a field stretcher and not a great route runner. However, if Philbin is on board with this who am I to second guess him.

    I say, go get him!
     
  37. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    been scorned too many times.
     
  38. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    To me that is only logical. To say he'll be signed without the support of Coach Joe, which others have done, is unfounded hokum IMO.
     
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  39. rafael

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    I don't believe he'd be changing his scheme. If he were on board with this (as I hope) it will be b/c he sees enough of what Wallace does that fits his scheme.
     
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  40. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    what I'd like to know, and anyone can weight in on this, is the route running really THAT bad for Wallace? So grade him on a scale of one to ten, compared to exceptional route runners in Bess and Hartline (who I would think garner at least 8.5's.... )
     

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