Alen is the one to ask, but from what I can tell, and remember I'm just a tired old bastard, he is fine on fly, posts, corners, comebacks, drags, slants, bubble screens and hooks. His biggest weakness is square in and square out routes, comparatively speaking.
Exactly. I think it's a pretty ridiculous notion to think the Dolphins would spend that kind of money on a player without the blessing of the HC.
You would think, but I know it happens where the coach and GM aren't on the same page. I don't think that's the case here. If anything, I believe Ireland has always been in communication with the coach. That's what I thought was obvious when Sparano was here and why it is ridiculous to blame Ireland for players that fit for Sparano being jettisoned when Philbin was hired. So I do expect that Philbin is on board with this signing (if it happens).
Obviously. But then all who proclaim he is such a bad fit would only have that too fall back on, instead of saying "I was wrong" we will hear he was forced on Philbin. Just the nature of the board.
It's the primary consideration if a player gets cut early. From the player's point of view it is also the primary consideration, because they know teams can be ruthless when it comes to cap cuts.
For me, I badly want the Dolphins to sign Wallace, but at the same time I understand there is a risk factor there. For me though, the Dolphins need playmakers (especially at WR) and Wallace is certainly that. He has his limitations, but sometimes you need to take risks and all of the things that Wallace can bring to the table are pretty exciting. He can hurt defenses in a number of ways and while he's a limited route runner, he's young enough that it's not out of the realm of possibility that he could improve in that area with coaching. After Wallace there is Jennings and essentially nothing else that's going to dramatically improve your WR corps. And while Jennings is a more complete WR, he has his share of issues as well and does not have the upside Wallace does. If you miss out on both of those guys you are really playing with fire going into the season with the same group you had last year plus a rookie or two who may or may not pan out, and even if they do pan out may not give you a whole lot in year one. Tannehill needs help right away, so I don't really love that option. So looking at the whole picture I think it's the right move to go big and pony up (it will obviously be an overpay, getting any good player in FA always is) for Wallace and give yourself the CHANCE to have a dynamic offense, the likes we haven't seen around here since Marino was throwing to the Marks brothers.
I'm ok with that, Philbin has never had a toy like Wallace. If it happens?? It's a great start to the offseason.
It's just risky is all... would make for a very fun team to watch and Tannehill would have no excuses as far as playmakers go.
Is half the contract guaranteed really common, even on the big name UFAs? I'd have guessed like a third of it being guaranteed.
It is risky, but it's about time (hopefully) we take those chances to become great. And some of those "overthrows" to Hartline??? That's 6 points with Mike Wallace.
It does happen but as I said in another thread (or was it this one??) JI is on the hottest of hot seats. He's been given another life. Is he going to throw that all away by defying the coach and signing a huge contract for a WR??? That's what some people are thinking. But I don't get it.
Nobody REALLY thinks that bro, it's just a deflection. If coach says this guy doesn't run enough routes to fit what we are trying to do, then the GM isn't going to go out and spend 12M on THAT guy. It's as common as common sense can be.
I wish our WRs were as slow and sloppy as James Jones. Or we're you talking about Pat Riley's James Jones?
It's not just a risk. It's essentially a guaranteed failure waiting to happen. Within two years, Miami's new GM will be begging someone to take Wallace off their hands just to get rid of the contract. He will never live up to this contract. To do so, he has to become a complete receiver that can do EVERYTHING on the field, and he has to rival Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, and Larry Fitzgerald as the legitimate elite receivers in the NFL. This potential contract is ELITE receiver money, and they will be giving it to a receiver that may be in the 20s-30s when it comes to the top receivers in the league. Heck, he wasn't even the best receiver on his own team. Antonio Brown was. Miami is essentially setting the market here but they are bidding against themselves. It's a typical overreaction, this time to two things. For one, it is an overreaction to the perceived lack of team speed, and it is also an overreaction to them underestimating last year's receivers market. This is a 27 year old, 4 year NFL veteran, and we are still thinking that with coaching, his routes will improve? Was he taught nothing at the college level for four years or his first four years in the NFL?
Well I'd really guess between 45-48% guaranteed. Anything under 42% Guaranteed would be a real surprise to me. Jackson, Garcon, Colston, Robinson, Meachem, and Wayne all received between 42% - 54% guaranteed.
Isn't the past tense of drag, 'dragged' rather than 'drug'? So shouldn't be dragged kicking and screaming? Unless it means Philbin was drugged and then dragged, due to his resistance of the Wallace signing?
Mike Wallace thread needs some good tape.. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1KFfTKLc36E&feature=relmfu http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=relmfu&v=BZV1b7D_uw4 Not just the highlights..hours worth of reps.. Kick back and watch..
Speed must have a good amount of monetary value in this contract offer if true.. Wow, this is tough, my position has been to not go over 10 for Wallace, and I'd rather have Jennings at 8.. I would stick with that..but, if we go there with Wallace, it will be time to just be a fan for a while.
I really respect your opinion on the game of football, but that statement is a little ridiculous. Jeff Ireland and Joe Philbin are not morons. Whether you like them or not, they know quite a bit about football. If they feel this is a good move, it is not guaranteed to fail. Getting $12M is not Calvin Johnson/Larry Fitzgerald money. Fitzgerald is making about $17M a year and Calvin Johnson is making about $16.5M a year. He will be making Vincent Jackson money and it's not unreasonable to think he can put up that kind of production. I'm curious how Brown was better than Wallace when Wallace has more yards, a higher ypc, and almost four times as many touchdowns than Brown in the past three years in Pittsburgh. I also don't see how Miami is setting the market against themselves when it's being reported that several teams have interest in Wallace. It may not be a lock that his route running will improve, but it's not out of the question to think it can. Of course he was coached in college and in Pitt, but when he was as good at what he did as he was, he may not have been asked to work much on the other aspects. If the Dolphins feel that's important, they can make it more of a priority. Even if he doesn't improve in that area, he does enough well that he can still be an impact player.
Miami Dolphins fan logic: Complain every week about how we need playmakers. ... and then tries to come up with reasons why we shouldn't sign MIKE WALLACE.
Fox Sports saying we're the frontrunner for Wallace. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...e-wallace-receiver-pittsburgh-steelers-030913
This is starting to kinda sink in, with what Sick heard about the condo. If this sticks we have drafted our franchise QB AND surrounded him with the right coach and weapons. Wow, finally it all may start coming together. Also IF we take a WR at 12??? It would be Austin, Who would be groomed to take over for Bess. More likely scenario would be CB though IMO. Exciting.
So, just scoring touchdowns makes you a great receiver? Let's completely ignore the fact that Antonio Brown is the guy they went to this past year when they needed that critical first down during the course of the game to keep the chains moving. Here's the WPA and the EPA of the Steeler's receivers for this past season: Emmanuel Sanders 1.57 WPA, 36.0 EPA Antonio Brown 1.29 WPA, 30.7 EPA Mike Wallace -0.78 WPA, 3.6 EPA
Even in his first few games back after the long holdout, he shows he's clearly a more dangerous receiver than anyone we've had in a long, long time. Yeah, he isn't very sharp on his cuts, but you know what, he still gets open. Why? Cuz he's really freakin fast. CB's running full bore with him can't cut on a dime either. Guys covering him get way off balance. And he shows decent ball skills. I love him at 10 million. I'm ok at 12. If Ireland/Philbin think he's a fit then I see it as a good risk. That said, with Hartline in the fold already, I wouldn't be opposed to Austin or Patterson at 12 then another WR in the 2nd or 3rd. As much as I like Wallace, developing a young receiver core through the draft might be wise since we're likely not competing with the elite teams next year anyway. Having 2 young, talented guys to go along with the safety net of Hartline would put us in a good position. I feel like this is a really good year to pick up a pair of receivers, whether as FA's or in the draft. How could we possibly screw it up....
When the Falcon s need a clutch 3rd down, they goto White or Gonzalez. When the Pats went 16-0 and needed a clutch 3rd down, they went to Welker. Julio Jones and Randy Moss are the home run hitters who help make that possible. And when we will need a clutch 3rd down?? We will goto Hartline or Bess. Playmakers and possession guy's make eachother better, and we may finally have both. So turn that frown upside down and enjoy the show. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2
Wow, 3 of the first 4 plays are drops. I wasn't worried about his hands before... Certainly he has an explosion off the line that this team doesn't have. EDIT: Nevermind, I had accidentally skipped ahead to the middle of the Denver game. It wasn't 3 of the first 4. Just a rough patch mid-game.
He's not sharp in his cuts and is a poor route runner, but let's pay him $12+ million per year to screw up the timing of the Dolphins passing game. Mike Wallace limits the Dolphins offense in two ways. The first, there are certain routes that require sharp cuts that you simply do not want him running, so you have to eliminate those routes from his X position. Second, he can only play the X position, so now you have to throw out your proven philosophy of having every receiver play every receiver position. Mike Wallace is clearly not good enough or quick enough to play in the slot, and he's not physical enough to play the Z. So, we are going to make him the 3rd highest paid receiver in football because he has speed. Oh, but one problem comes with that. This is a major problem for this style of offense. There is going to be immense pressure on making sure he is worth that contract, so now you have a young quarterback and an inexperienced head coach who feel like they need to justify his $12 million salary, so they start feeding him the ball to the detriment of the rest of the receivers, another departure from the philosophy of the current offense. I just hope Miami's next GM can find a sucker in two years to take this contract off the Dolphins hands when his speed is declining and his deficiencies are even more glaring.
I'd like to remind everybody of the media hell that was last season before they start feeling sure about Wallace. The press is wrong more than 50% this time of year. Partly because they need stories and partly because they are lied to by teams and agents in off season subterfuge. They were 100% wrong about Manning, Fisher, McCoy, Flynn, Smith until after they didn't end up here then we learned the truth. Be especially wary of tweets. Real sports writers are using Twitter to seed rumors because the format doesn't require the same source standard a newspaper does. Also look for code words like: - sources say (too nebulous) - according to a person close to the organization/the deal/the player (misinformation from the agent) - rumblings (misinformation from local sportswriters) - according a high level person on the team (misinformation from the team)
Here are some interesting numbers. Mike Wallace received 37% of the Steelers targeted passes this past year, however, 50% of their interceptions were thrown on targeted passes to Mike Wallace. Why is this? It is a combination of a couple of things. The first is route running. When you are rounding off your routes and not running them at the proper depth, things like interceptions happen. Most fans don't realize that a lot of interceptions are thrown because of the receiver running a poor route or the wrong route. In Mike Wallace's case, he's notorious for running a 10 yard out at 13-14 yard depth. In a timing based offense, quarterbacks anticipate where the receiver is going to be and throws the ball to that spot. Well, if the play calls for a 10 yard out, and you run it at 13 yards, guess what. The receiver isn't going to be where the ball is thrown. The second thing about Wallace is that he's not a guy that is going to win many battles when he is in tight coverage and/or has to extend himself to make a play on the ball, either by extending his arms or by having to go after a jump ball. His lack of physicality in his game hurts him here.
If he's not using us, who is he using? If Miami legitimately made an offer then we wouldn't hear about their $12.5M offer, we would have heard about Minnesota's $14M offer. At least that's what would make sense IMO.
