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Welcome Back, Matt Moore

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by peakz, Mar 8, 2013.

  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I just think people need to realize there is such thing as disagreeing with a move but not thinking it's some great BFD that should get a guy fired on the spot.

    On this board lately it seems like there's no tolerance whatsoever for disagreement with what the front office does.
     
  2. oakelmpine

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  3. oakelmpine

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    I saw it was for $8 million so I am assuming its a two-year deal.
     
  4. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    Right, as nice as its been so far, remember he has signed two players & franchised another one that helped the Dolphins to a 7-9 record last year. At least these are not backward steps, but laterals that might help the team a lot.
     
  5. oakelmpine

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    I'm with you, in not having much faith in Ireland, but so far he hasn't hurt the team significantly, but then he hasn't really improved it yet, but I am still hopefull.

    So how much FA money is left after Hartline, Moore and Soliai ?
     
  6. Fineas

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    Most teams still seem pretty content to kick the can down the road in terms of salary cap. Most of these deals have dramatically lower cap hits in Year 1 than in the later years and not just cost-of-living increases. As mentioned before, Bowe's deal averages more than $11 million, but the first year cap hit is just $4 million. Flacco's deal averages $20 million per but has a first year cap hit of just $6.8 million. Etc.
     
  7. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    Well many of them have been. Checked our record the last 4 years ?
     
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  8. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    Excellent point
     
  9. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Actually, the "no tolerance" part seems to be those who think that every move JI makes isn't good enough.... Seriously at this point in the year, is there any room to criticize any of the moves ??
     
  10. oakelmpine

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    Who can also be GREAT trade bait either later this year, or next off-season. Liking this more and Moore :wink2:
     
  11. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    The above statement is remarkably inconsistent with the below statement...

    Seriously? Listen to what you're saying. You're saying there's "no room" to criticize any of the moves.

    Which is exactly the intolerance I'm speaking of.
     
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  12. oakelmpine

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    No, it was one of my 1st thoughts upon hearing about it. And its a great move if that is what they do with him. Right now its a win-win for us in all kinds of respects.
     
  13. CD13

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    I think he got a fair salary, plus they have a moderate salary for starting QB to go along with it, it is not like we paid this guy to back up Flacco. Down the road when Tanny gets paid better, we might have to settle for a Delvin. Great signing for Tanny development, and locker room.
     
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  14. jdang307

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    For 12 years (before this past year) teams that went 6-10 were more likely to make the playoffs (12) and have a consecutive losing season (10). We went 6-10, 6-10, and 7-9. Lol.
     
  15. Dolfan984

    Dolfan984 Underrated Free Agent

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    It's probably one of the first times in his career (pro wise) where most if not all the fan base likes and appreciates him. It's possible that affected his decision to stay home.
     
  16. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Hell ya smart move.
     
  17. Springveldt

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    I wasn't insisting you should be thinking 1 year at a time, if it came off that way I apologise. I was just saying I don't agree with taking the average value off this years cap as your cap number is very fluid each year due to older contracts being restructured or removed.

    There's no way we take the $11.5M hit for Dansby (save $9.2M by cutting him) in 2014 and Incoginito's $5.3M will be gone as well. I'd image Burnett at $7M will be gone or restructured as well (saving another $5.75M). Yes that's another 3 starters gone but I'm seeing a lot of teams cut starters this year, the Steelers just released James Harrison. You also have to have faith that the GM can at least get the same production as those 3 guys with the $20M that has become available, maybe that is were we differ. :)

    Over the last few years there has been a shift to doing what you say unlike years gone by were the last couple of years were never going to be seen but I don't think it's all the way there yet. Just about every big contract signed is still back loaded to a degree with all the guaranteed money coming in the first 3 years (if a 5 year deal). Year 4 is usually the decision year, to restructure or cut.

    I was probably being too dramatic with Hartline's contract but I'm still expecting the cap hit over the first 3 years to be around 14-15M in total. I wouldn't be surprised to see cap hits of 3.5, 5, 6, 7.5, 8.5 with year 4 being the year we get cap savings if we cut him.

    I guess we will have to agree to disagree on it, you prefer to take the safer approach while I don't mind the team doing a little accounting gymnastics if required. I honestly can't remember the last time a team got into major cap trouble and had to have a fire sale. Maybe I just haven't been paying enough attention. :)
     
  18. Mile High Fin

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    That is dramatic, when compared with say the 20th pick, a team moving in front of you (for a player you don't want) increases your odds at 5%.
     
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  20. rdhstlr23

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    Ben Volin just broke down Moore's contract - pretty nice contract for Miami.

     
  21. jdang307

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    Is he a cap casualty next year?
     
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  22. Caps

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    If Tannehill proves that he's the man and stays healthy all season, I'd say most likely yes Moore is gone next offseason unless he wants to stay here for less dough.
     
  23. Tone_E

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    Unless we can trade him to a QB desperate team this year. Not many FA available, and a weak draft class IMO. All it takes is one pre-season or early season ending injury and you would have to think we are the top two teams to get a call.
     

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