Indeed, but he finished with 3.6 and 56 yards the following year as well (Large Benjamin missed one game that year, but that game accounted for the most yardage anyway). Regardless, the point was to indicate how useless his statistical arguing point was. Wow, thanks for pointing that out to me. I'm surprised no one else brought this to my attention in various threads. But really, that factoid has been beaten to death and was pretty irrelevant to that exchange. After several hundreds of pages of "Hartline had 1 TD LMFAO OMFG!1 LEL" on this site I didn't think anyone would miss it anyway.
this might be overthinking it a bit, but any chance signing Hartline as our #2 affects Wallace's decision to come here? You never know, he might be like "uhh, this is the guy that's supposed to keep me from getting constantly double-teamed?"
On top of that his utilization number puts him at 61.5% (catches/targets). 5 or 6 percentage points higher than say a Hartline. This isn't Allen Iverson jacking up 40 shots, making 10 and getting 30 points a game.
kb21 is just a Marshall hater and a Hartline rider he talks about only producing with targets but doesn't mention Hartline being the only receiver with 115 plus targets to only net 1 td since at least 2006 which is as far as espn tracks targets.
For what it's worth, L Coles 2004 - 168 targets, 1 TD. Figured I'd share since I found it. Also, LMAO at Chambers reeling in 59 catches in 154 targets in 2006. 4th in targets and 34th in receptions.
Sure, those weren't very good QBs. But passing to Chambers yielded a 38.3% completion percentage that year based on those stats. Passing to anyone else? Nearly 65%. I'm sure a lot were uncatchable both ways. That's just alarming though.
We'd really need to know the number of dropped passes to go along with the targets and catches to have a fairly complete picture. I think I've seen 90% of the games Chambers played in Miami. I may have missed a couple early in 2002 as I recall. The thing that stuck out to me is he could make some really tough catches where he was fully extended parallel to and off the ground, where you'd say HTF did he catch that? Then, he could be wide open going across the middle and have the pass hit him right in the belly and drop it. Many people thought he was never the same after Kenoy Kennedy knocked him out in Denver, but his best season was probably 2005 which came after that.
I'm using KFFL's Utilization stats. That said, it's still higher. So yes he had a lot of targets and he caught alot of them too.
I remember going over this. he had a lot of targets, but a lot of them were throw aways. IIRC, he ran the deep routes. Whenever the QB bailed and threw it away, they assigned a ton of them to chambers because they have to assign it to someone. Each pass whether thrown away or not needs a target. When broken down, his catch percentage wasn't terrible. Easily verified by his number of drops. Now, I'm not saying he had the hands of Fitzgerald or anything. Just that, when you look into it, his numbers go from terrible to, just bad.
I think you're onto something with the throwaway thing. I'm inclined to believe your take on a break-down of the actual plays and it definitely seems like something one of the more ambitious souls on here would look into. It still stands out as it is because all teams must throw the ball away, thus all receivers are accumulating false "targets" and yet his is percentage is the lowest I can find from the +100 club (Edwards a close 2). Definitely logical that the QBs would be throwing away a lot in his area plus deep guys tend to have a lower % by the nature of the business, not to mention neither of the 3 QBs that year were particularly accurate (lol).
Yet only Half the money dwayne bowe got.... to keep our most consistent weapon on offense... and Tannehills go to guy. Plus you have to remember, he almost died and missed the entire off-season last year. Brian's great in his role, and when we get more talent aside him he can really be more productive with less targets ! Losing him and signing a FA like Jennings to replace him wouldn't be an automatic upgrade. But keeping him at a fair price and bringing in more help was the only sure way to enhance the passing game IMO. At this price I welcome him back. He's a grinder, a keeper, and he earned it. Tanneline 4 ever ! If only he would have signed that incentive latent proposal that offered 1m per TD !
Why bother dude? You know you're just going to be informed Hartline one logged 1 TD last year again anyway.
Reading Ben Volin's tweets on Hartline's contract - in my mind, it's an AWESOME deal for Miami with great terms.
Ben Volin @BenVolinPBP So that's $4.615 million of cap space used on Hartline and Moore for 2013 This validates both moves for me...great work El Jeffe....now finish the job...
In my mind, that puts the resigning of Hartline into perspective. By today's standards that is a very modest amount to keep a solid #2 receiver around. Thanks rdhstlr23!
Good info. 6mil a year for a quality #2 receiver is gonna look great by the 2015 season if the gold rush on WR's continues the way it has been.
Yeah, pretty good IMO. Could be that we sign Wqallace and draft another WR in the first 2 rounds and if the draftee, pans out, we release Hartline after the first 2 years. If so, it would effectively be a 2 year deal with cap hits of $2.115 and $6.185 in the first 2 years and then a $4.2M cap acceleration in year 3, which would be a 3 yr., $12.5 million deal (average of $4,166,666 per year). If the draftee doesn't pan out or isn't ready yet, we keep Hartline.
I think Ireland should given a gold star for this deal if your numbers are correct. Im not a big Ireland supporter but he deserves credit when its due and here it is due. Hartline needs to develope an awarness of yardage markers now. he isnt going to fight his way to a 1st down or a TD so he needs to run his routes to catch the ball where it needs to be. If he can do that much he will continue to be a quiet asset for the team.
If I wudda known you were gonna post that, I wouldn't have needed to punch in all the number in my pocket calculator. At least I know I did the numbers right because I got the same thing for the cap hit if he's cut after two years.
I think this site is pretty accurate: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/cap-hit/ Cap is $123M We're at $91M after the Hartline/Moore deals and Starks tag So we're at $32M-ish
32 million now with about 4 going to the draft picks in April. We should have about 28 million to spend left.
I'm sure we'll still be talking to Starks too about a longer deal, hopefully they get something sorted out, in which case his cap impact for 2013 will also be reduced.