Vikings trade Percy Harvin to Seattle! Vikings got 1s5 rd pk 9 (25th overall) a 6th or 7th rd pk, abd a mid level pk next yr. Two things: 1. Did we miss out? Would you have traded our 1st for Harvin and a 2nd rd pk this year? 2. Now do we have a whole heap of competition from the Vikings for Wallace?
1. No. Too much for us to give up, Seahawks are much closer to the promised land than we are, and Harvin could be the missing piece. 2. Maybe, but I'd put money on them being more interested in Austin or Patterson in the draft than Wallace.
Very risky deal for Seattle but could be huge for them. Harvin supposedly wants 16M/year so that combined with the 1st and the injury/character concerns are dangerous. No doubt he's a huge talent though. I don't think Minny beats us for Wallace though. With the state income tax situation they would have to beat our offer by a decent margin, and sell him on Minny over Miami.
he's 24 years old..he went #22 in his draft, your getting an explosive player who can change everything and has a proven skillset that translated to the pros. The ability of Russell relocating his position combined with the stop and start explosiveness that Harvin brings to the table is going to be very scary for opponents..
The Giants put a first round tender on Cruz today I believe. EDIT: His agent has decided to test the market after the Giants pitched an offer.
they now have two first round picks, selecting Austin to replace Harvin and his contract is a reasonable scenario..
I disagree. IMO Austin was Seattle's initial draft target; otherwise I don't believe they'd sacrifice so much in trade value if their draft sights were set on a different position. Harvin wasn't the priority; the versatile, playmaking role Harvin provides was the priority. It's not like Seattle has any other needs. IMO Seattle opted for the vastly more expensive Harvin b/c they were uncertain Austin wouldn't make it to 25. Perhaps Seattle looked at it through the perspective of, "We were prepared to offer a mid round pick to trade up for Austin so we might as well allocate that to Harvin instead and be guaranteed we secure the position".
How are they at all comparable? Brandon Marshall is basically a rolling domestic violence charge, was heading to his third team, and it'll be a god-damned miracle if he doesn't serve a lengthy suspension or suffer legal punishment in his career. Percy Harvin is an internal issue and if you had any interest in comparing him fairly, it would be the that the Dolphins paid two second round picks for what is a better player than the Seahawks got for a 1st and change. Harvin is almost certainly an *******, but as far as keeping him off the field he's a much lesser risk, and that's only if him testing positive at the combine counts as far as the NFL drug treatment program, which I don't know is the case.
Very scary for the Seahawks capologist as well. You may be getting all that but you are also getting someone who could be very difficult to sign long term. There are reports suggesting he wants $16M a year and he's already shown how pig-headed he can be. Very risky move from Seattle I think.
Nope. i'd rather get Jennings and draft WRs. I personally believe you can swing a dead cat and hit 5 or 6 WRs that would be great for us in this draft.
From a moral standpoint you can argue that they're comparable. From the standpoint of having issues preventing them from staying on the football field, it isn't even close. Guess which one matters to NFL teams? Brandon Marshall is a constant risk to be suspended by the league or end up in jail. Harvin is not. He's done Harvin's career highlights of extracurricular violence in a single month.
NM. I thought you were talking about Seattle going after Austin. Yeah, Minnesota grabbing Austin makes some sense. But they will still have competition at 16 with the Rams if Patterson is gone.
The comparison being made here seems to be what we got for Marshall when we traded him to Chicago as opposed to what we gave up to get him from Denver. But shouldn't we look at that acquisition cost too? And shouldn't we also consider it as compared to what Seattle is paying for Harvin (both in terms of picks and the inevitable new contract)?
While punitively players who do crap outside of football get the worst, teams and teammates tend to stick by them more readily. An example would be Chad Johnson. The players really stuck up for him. On the flip side, everyone hated Titus Young.
Chad Johnson had one off the field incident. Also, looking at the reaction from Adrian Peterson who says he feels like he was punched in the gut several times after hearing about this move, clearly the guys in that locker room have Harvin's back.
Most locker rooms I have ever been in have teammate's backs far more often than not. If a guy isn't sad to see someone go, then I'd be surprised or find it noteworthy.
I initially think that the Seahawks got the better deal ... but the 49ers get a veteran presence that should help do all the things Randy Moss did for them this year. Harvin is arguably the most electric WR when he's on the field. The problem is that he's only on the field about half the time. Boldin is a tough, physical receiver who should be able to mentor Crabtree, provided he has his head in the game. Has there ever been an instance of a Super Bowl winner being traded to the runner-up the following year?
If there is, they have got to be pretty obscure because I don't recall that ever happening. Mr Clean will know.
Perhaps I read it wrong. I thought he was talking about moving up from No. 12. My apologies gentlemen.
I don't think that comes close to balancing it out. Not only that but there are still guys who have been exposed to the full breadth of Brandon Marshall's bull**** like Jay Cutler and still like the guy.
To be fair, the only person that likes Cutler is Marshall. Let's also take it one step further and point out neither of them are particularly productive without each other.