This is borderline what can Trent Green do that Jay Fiedler can't. And Flacco a top 5 QB? Come on. they always do that crap after a Super Bowl win. Is Eli Manning elite? Hell no. Boldin was Flacco's security blanket. Almost 400 yards and 4 TDs in the post season where you usually face the good defenses. That's just silly talk. 3800 yards, 22 TDs and 10 INTs don't make you elite. I don't even know if it makes you top 10.
The $6m would become responsibility of the team he is traded to. The $1.3, actually $1,531,250 was part of a bonus given to him previously and is dead money belonging to the Ravens no matter what they do with him.
After the Super Bowl I suggested he might be cut and got blasted for it. Bottom line was, he did nothing but bail Flacco out when the play broke down. Gotta at least try for him and hope the 3rd time is the charm.
He is a top 10 qb IMO. Not close to the money he was paid with. Also you have to admit that on quite a few passes Boldi was in traffic and jumped up and saved the incomplete pass. Boldin was a big part in the way the offense played in the playoffs, sure it was on Flacco that he did not throw interceptions but Boldin made a lot of the deep big plays along with Smith. What I am trying to say is that after the playoffs them paying Flacco that much and asking Boldin for a paycut is just crazy talk. Boldin was a big part and to ask him to take a paycut while they break the bank for Flacco shows that they have their priorities mixed up.
Some of those throws you speak of we're purposely played so Boldin could high point the ball, he threw him open on occasion to allow Boldin to make a play that Flacco knew he could make. Here are the qbs I would take over Flacco if I started a team 2maro, and you have to consider his age in this scenario.. Can't do it on Brady or Manning, too old. Bree's...yes.. Rodgers..yes Luck..yes.. CKap..yes.. Russell Wilson..yes RG3... Yes.. I think that's it for me.. So he's top 7 for me.
Yes but if it was not for the talent of Boldin a lot of those plays would not work. He is a crucial part of the offense, and deserves to not take a paycut. I am saying that right now he is a top 10 guy. What are 10 qbs you would take right now to make a Super Bowl run this year alone. Brees Brady P Manning Rodgers Kaepernick Luck RG3 E Manning Flacco That is the top 10 of now as I see it
I agree with you, Boldin should not have to take a pay cut at 6 million, that's ridiculous..but that's not what we we discussing I thought..Boldin is worth every penny..insulting the ravens would offer less, if that is even the case..which I don't think it is..reports are from Boldin is they haven't said a word about restructuring..so we agree there. Flaccos contract represents not just who you want for one year or who is better for one year, it's the totality of a career relative to what's out there.. If you would take Manning at 38 over Flacco at 27 I would disagree if we're talking about what's best for the longevity of your franchise.. So that's the way I'm looking at it to understand the parameters of the contract.. Are you saying you would sacrifice what Flacco potentially brings to the table for the next 10 years over a couple good ones?
Boldin having to take a paycut and how ridiculous it is, is half the conversation. It was on how Ravens need to fix their priorities when they pay Flacco all that money and tell Boldin to take a paycut. I dont agree with their decision and to me it is a weird one. But anyway on to the qb debate. If we are talking long-term there are a lot of variables that affect it but with what we know now my top 10, for the future, would be similar to yours Brees Rodgers Luck RG3 Wilson Kaepernick but I would add 2 guys who IMO have what it takes to take their teams further than Flacco will take the ravens Eli Manning Matt Ryan That makes Flacco for me #9 in the league, which is essentially him just being a top 10, not worthy of all that money The money changes for Boldin and Flacco being odd was my original point
last report is that no one from the ravens front office has asked Boldin to take a pay cut.. I would take Flacco over Ryan and Eli long terms, more talented arm, more talented and underrated in the legs. When it comes to Flacco and what makes him so good, is his patience to let the play develop, you can actually see him relax in the pocket because he knows what a freakin rifle he has in his right arm..The game has totally slowed down for the player and thats a special component when you see it, combine it with the arm talent, to me he's reached a level where the scrutiny or comparisons don't matter anymore, he's plenty good enough to carry you on his back to win a championship. Also Cbass, I'm to sure how you come to the conclusion that Ryan and Eli will take their teams farther?
Alright well to the paycut situation, this was back when we all thought he was given the ultimatum to take a paycut or be cut Yes those are key traits that has helped flacco over the years, but through the season Matt Ryan has show that he is the better qb. Flacco: 3817 Passing Yards 22 TDs 59.6 % Passes Complete 10 Ints Ryan: 4719 Yards 32 TDs 68.6% Passes Complete 14 INTs In those two Flacco wins only in the interception category, but in the rest Matt Ryan has outplayed him through the season. Matt Ryan is simply known as the qb who cannot get it done in the playoffs, but after what he did this year in the postseason he will get better in the playoffs. He is way too undervalued, just like Flacco has been in the past years. Ryan has what it takes in him to carry his team over the hump into the super bowl. For Eli Manning it is something different. He had the same stats as flacco last year, but he has more experience in the super bowl than flacco. When Manning gets on a hot streak it takes a lot to slow him down. This could be seen in the 2011 season when it seemed he would not make the playoffs. He simply got on a hot streak and won it all. There is something about his mentality that if you get him going you cannot stop him. That is my defense for Ryan and Manning being over Flacco
They kept the young franchise quarterback and want the old receiver to restructure. Those are some of the best priorities I've seen in this offseason.
if your defense is stats Cbass then I digress..stats have so much to do with variables and supporting cast..under pressure what do you see with Flacco..I see calmness, as in no fluctuation in heart rate..Plus the arm talent that Flacco possesses is better. I'll give you a stat to ponder when you compare Flacco and Ryan..Ryan plays in a dome..Flacco plays outside in the elements, a lot of times cold blistering weather..Ryan has three weapons on offense that are elite at their positions, ravens have none. Flacco made a perfect throw, under pressure, to get his team to their 2nd Super Bowl, the player made the play that he had to make..it counts when evaluating individual performance and setting his value.
I actually don't think that story was ever true Des, and I surely wouldn't complain as a front office to be paying 6 mill for a receiver who performed for me like Boldin did.
Sure they have their variables but it still talks a lot about how they played. Ryan played better, and yes flacco does have great receivers in smith and boldin. Either way, it is something of Matt Ryan's game that makes me feel that in about 2 years he will be a big threat in the nfl and could even bring his team to the super bowl. He will be one of the best in the game in a few years Also, Matt Ryan brought his team back against the Seahawks and almost did the same against the 49ers. He was good in the clutch and was very close to the super bowl. His come from behind games, in the playoffs, exemplify how good of a qb he is/will be If you are talking about the pass he made during the broncos game at the end of regulation, that was not necessarily perfect. The wr had to stop in his route to catch it, and if the CB wasnt completely slacking off and actually focused it could have easily been incomplete. You have to admit the CB terribly screwed up on the route and that added a lot to the outcome. I still believe Eli and Matty Ice are better than Flacco
maybe your misinterpreting my measure of respect for Ryan and Eli, it's there, I think their all very close together, you can win with them, but in terms of pure arm talent I give the edge to Flacco..but it's a solid debate either way bud.
I agree, the 3 are all close in terms of skill, and I don't realistically see either of us changing our opinion on the matter anytime soon.
I could argue something completely different. I think Flacco is elite. Luck, Griffin, Wilson and Kaepernick are not better than Flacco because they have essentially achieved nothing. They are all very young of course but that goes into it, IMO. Eli Manning has the playoff pedigree. Matt Ryan has good regular season numbers but a spotty (at best) playoff record. 1.) Rodgers 2.) Brady 3.) Brees After those three I group Flacco in the same group as the Manning's and they are all ranked above the "next generation". If I am starting a team tomorrow the only guy I would put ahead of Flacco is Rodgers and Luck (and I add Luck only because of his age). The other guys (Griffin, Wilson and Kaepernick) all have various things in their games I don't like and I don't think will remain effective long term. I think Griffin is the best of the three because he has shown he has ability as a pure pocket passer. Griffin is an injury waiting to happen and Kaepernick is a gimmick (just my opinion). Flacco has a proven playoff track record. He has won a playoff game every year he's been a starter, has a Super Bowl ring and if they had a decent kicker he could (and should) have been able to say "I have beaten Tom Brady in back to back years in his building in the Championship game". He is worth the money because he was UFA. If they franchised him that just creates animosity and a super high single season cap number. If they said "you are asking for to much money" and let him go to UFA at least a half dozen teams would have moved heaven and Earth to make room for the guy. In that scenario the Ravens don't overpay....but then spend years, possibly 2 decades, looking for a starting quarterback comparable to the guy they did not want to "overpay".
While the rookie qbs have not proven a ton, we can gather from what they have shown that they will be top qbs in the future. They show that they have what it takes to be better than Flacco. Brady and Peyton were taken out of discussion for their age and the fact that you won't build around them for the future. Eli has proven to be unstoppable when on a hot streak, and once Matt Ryan translates his regular season play into the playoffs every team better watch out.
lol @ the Harbaughs. What if this year's superbowl is a repeat with Boldin torching John's team this time around?
Only on a 1 yr deal. And apparently Boldin is on a mission in Africa right now. Must be great to find out when you return home you'll not actually be home. Edit: I know he'll find out today, just may not sink in until he gets home.
Bolden would not have been the guy to blow the top off the defense. All indications are that guy simply does not exist this year unless his name is Wallace.
I would have been all over giving up a 5th for Boldin instead of all the money we will have to spend for Wallace.
