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Miami Draft Strategy

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Boomer, Mar 12, 2013.

  1. Fineas

    Fineas Club Member Luxury Box

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    I assume he's done pretty well for his wife (who is pretty hot) too. Oh, and the Pats. Is there someone else I am supposed to add?
     
  2. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    IMO his game speed is just different that his track speed. The first time I watched Bailey was before we hired Philbin and the name that came to mind was Greg Jennings. He doesn't have amazing speed but somehow the guy is always open
     
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  3. Bpk

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    Stedman is just a guy whose game shows up when the lights come on.

    Feisty, ultra competitive at the LOS, on contested catches and coming TO the ball to cut off DBs chances at INTs.

    Plays strong, TD machine.

    Everything you want, even of the box doesn't appear to match the contents.

    My favorite receiver in this draft.
     
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  4. jdang307

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    Oi! I'm not touching that one!!!!!
     
  5. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ok, I'll do some more watching. Sounds like he's great for the WCO we run, and ... signing Wallace makes me think we won't target WR with our #1, but the report yesterday about our draft strategy being intriguing makes me think we will with our next two ...
     
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  6. ckparrothead

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    Stedman Bailey isn't REALLY slow. He ran a 4.50 at the Combine. We had a pretty unique slug of fast times at the Combine this year so that looked bad but it's not really, relative to guys that are out there in the NFL producing every Sunday.

    Stedman Bailey will compare favorably to Golden Tate except he's more "batteries included" than Tate. Golden was going to have a tough time transitioning right away because he was raw in some ways that people were discounting. I also think Bailey and Ryan Broyles compare well.
     
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  7. Lee2000

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    Sitting at 12, I think Miami should have a choice of Austin or Eifert. I don't see either of those players in the top 11 unless there is a trade. Miami gets one of those offensive pieces if they want them. Either player could offer an element not present on the roster right now. After this free agency and how Miami addresses the cb position determines this flexibility.
     
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  8. Ludacris

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    Giving up one of those second round picks could be worth it but then you have to sign him up to another large contract. I think we may need the cap space depending on what happens with Long and Smith.

    Personally I would like us to keep that second round pick to fill other needs.
     
  9. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    If they dont get a DE in FA, it will be a DE at #12
     
  10. jim1

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    I'm not so sure that a good value DE will be available at #12. I'd guess CB or if the FO is particularly aggressive maybe Tavon Austin.
     
  11. TooGoodForDez

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    They just spent $60 mil on blitzing LBs. They have to put pressure from the edges on the pocket, otherwise its wasted money. Corners are not as important, the way I see it. Werner or Ansah.
     
  12. rafael

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    I agree. We can pick up almost any of the plethora of CBs on the market and fill those spots adequately. Especially since it appears we'll be playing more zone. The premium pick should go towards DE (my guess is Werner). The only exceptions I could see are Vacarro at S or Austin/Eifert (especially if they trade down). Actually if the rumors of Dallas wanting Vacarro are true we may be able to trade down to #18, pick one of those and use the extra 2nd or 3rd on one of the other Ss (I could see Cyprien).
     
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  13. Fin-Omenal

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    When you have space eating guys like Solia and Starks the LBs can roam free.
     
  14. Gitrdone

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    This place is going to implode if Austin isn't selected, so many pinning their hopes on him being drafted. Setting yourselves up for a massive let down.
     
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  15. Lee2000

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    Perhaps, but it would be good to add just that extra touch to the offense. Austin and maybe Eifert can do that. That is not to say the Dolphins will not go defense. However, I find it hard to believe a right tackle would be picked.
     
  16. KB21

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    I think you have to look at what Mike Sherman did at Texas A&M to see how he adjusts. I know there are some that believe his game time decisions and ability to adjust mid stream during the game are questionable. With that said, Mike Sherman did make a pretty drastic make over of his offense at Texas A&M.

    When he first got to Texas A&M, he ran the same offense he ran at Green Bay with a little big of Gary Kubiak's offense sprinkled in. After his first season there, he was looking at his offense and knew he had to make changes. It is very difficult to teach the west coast offense to college players the way it is run in the NFL. Things are too voluminous for college players to digest. Mike Sherman was looking for a way to do two things. For one, he wanted to simplify his offense so that his players could understand it. The second thing he wanted to do was increase the pace of the offense. I think Sherman's offense averaged around 46 players per game in 2008, or something close to that.

    In 2009, there was a coach's clinic in College Station that around 700+ high school coaches attended. Gus Malzahn was supposed to have been the guest speaker, but he had to cancel at the last minute. The clinic was going to be about Malzahn's offense in particular. So, the clinic coordinator was left trying to find someone that could speak about Malzahn's offense that knew it. There was a high school coach at Lake Travis High School in Texas that had been studying Malzahn's offense for the previous 5 years and knew it like the back of his hand. He was invited to be the guest speaker at this clinic. That coach was Chad Morris, who is Clemson's current offensive coordinator. Mike Sherman was at the clinic, and he was so intrigued with what he heard that he invited Chad Morris back to College Station to teach his coaches about the system.

    Chad Morris went and spent around 5-6 hours with Mike's assistants and then another 1-2 hours with Mike. The things that Mike took from Chad Morris was how to simplify the play calls, and how to increase the pace of the offense.

    In 2010, Mike Sherman and his staff rolled out with their new style of offense, and it seemed to take off when Ryan Tannehill was inserted at quarterback. Texas A&M went from running around 46 plays per game to running around 80 plays per game.

    As far as personnel goes, they did run a lot of option route stuff with Ryan Swope, but they really didn't have that dynamic guy who you want to try and do a lot of things with. Sherman ran mostly three wide sets with Swope in the slot, but he ran 4 wide and empty backfield a lot.
     
  17. Jcouch1021

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    Draft strategy?
    1. Star, why? Because I believe he will check out fine medically and has above average versatility and also stark solia are gone next year
    2a. Johnathan banks - play maker who can actually get his hands on the damn ball and keep it.
    2b. Tank, why? Because he can get to the QB and is also good against the run. Will be a very solid de at the next level
    3a. Ryan swope, why? Familiarity with RT and our OC. Davon bess won't be around forever.
    3b.travis Kelce big guy and can rip the seam for us
    4. The honey badger, why? Cause the kid can play football. Give him a shot! We've done worse ( egnew )


    i want Winston, and Woodson
     
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  18. Bpk

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    How do you see his offense unfolding in year two of his install here?

    Clearly we are staffing up the roster to be able to pass more effectively. 3 wide and 4 wide w/ empty backfield is interesting. If we move that direction, how does it affect players like Lane (FB) and Clay? Egnew would be fine. Keller would be fine. You can see where an Anthony Fasano lacked the athletic flexibility they would want.

    Or do you think he'll stop short of using so many 3 and 4 wide personnel groupings at the NFL level. It's starting to sound reminiscent of the run n' shoot. Is there a conceptual difference?
     
  19. KB21

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    I think spreading the field is the direction they want to go in. For two reasons. One, the game has become a game of space. You have to create space, and you have to take advantage of the space that has been created. I think the best way to create space today is with vertical and horizontal stretches on the same play, the more receivers you have the easier it is to get these stretches.

    I also think they want to achieve balance though, and it wouldn't surprise me to see more pistol formations.

    I'm not sure what the future will bring for Clay and Lane.
     
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  20. Ludacris

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    I think Austin is getting over hyped around here. I'm not a fan of him with the twelfth pick but I think he's good value in the second round. You could also get a speed guy in Marquise Goodwin in the 3rd round anyway.
     
  21. Stitches

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    I'm not big on Austin, but Goodwin doesn't belong in the 3rd and he's nowhere near the player Austin is IMO.
     
  22. KB21

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    There is a big difference between Tavon Austin and Marquise Goodwin. Austin isn't just a speed guy. He's got tremendous quickness. Goodwin is a track athlete playing football, IMO. His speed is in a straight line, and he will struggle making breaks on sharp cutting routes in the NFL.

    The other difference is the fact that Austin is a productive college receiver, and Goodwin isn't. Goodwin is going to be overrated by many because of his speed. Tavon Austin has speed, quickness, hands, and routes.
     
  23. unifiedtheory

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    I like Bailey a lot as well.

    If he lingers into the 2nd round Ireland should grab him without thinking twice.

    I'm intrigued by this draft more than nay I can remember for a long time (Saban's first draft was the last one I was this excited about). We have ammunition to do almost anything. I'd love to see us somehow move into the 1st round twice and get one of the tight ends. A 1st (Best defensive player available), 1st (one of the tight ends), 2nd (Bailey), 3rd (Lacy) draft is a little fantasy worldish but would make me beyond excited about the future of this franchise.
     
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  24. KB21

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    You want to make the moves that have been made this offseason work? Be aggressive and make sure you get Tavon Austin and Tyler Eifert in this draft. Why?

    Space.

    With Mike Wallace and Brian Hartline on the perimeter, you have a vertical stretch and a horizontal stretch receiver. You can take Tavon Austin and take advantage of the space Mike Wallace's vertical stretches will provide from the x position. Tyler Eifert is a seam threat tight end, and you can really take advantage of his seam busting ability with the horizontal stretches Brian Hartline provides.

    Austin and Eifert would also give the coaching staff the ability to run one of the Packers favorite route concepts - the double post.
     
  25. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    i like it!
     
  26. ToddPhin

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    yeah, it's a great point.
    Dustin Keller would likely make a trade up for Eifert unnecessary, but the concepts KB spoke of would still be there. This group would be fun in trips or bunch to one side with Wallace isolated on the other.




    Keith, so how long do you think it'll take to get used to such a prominent Ole Miss guy in a Miami uniform?
     
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  27. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Dustin Keller would make it so Miami didn't have to trade up for Eifert, I agree. Myself I would rather not trade up for him, since I would like to get some other young players.

    Still my dream is to have Austin and Swope, with Swope being able to supplant Hartline next season or the season after.
     
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  28. ToddPhin

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    I agree; I think Swope would be a better fit in this situation b/c whomever is playing that position should have some opportunity to make plays in space after the catch, and Swope certainly is an upgrade in that area as we know.
     
  29. Ludacris

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    There is a big difference between the two...yes, which is why I think you could get Goodwin in the 3rd and not even considered in the 1st round. Goodwin is given less credit for his quickness than he should. He's actually not just a straight line guy. He is a sure handed guy who can run good routes. He's a lot less polished.

    I'm pretty sure training for the Olympic 100m and long jump had something to do with his production.
     
  30. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Goodwin in the 5th is over drafting
     
  31. KB21

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    Keller is not a guy that I'm 100% convinced on yet. Right now, Keller would not stop me from getting Eifert. The guy who didn't work out so well at the combine but looks damn good as a receiver from the Y position is Gavin Escobar. I want to look at some more film on him. If you get Keller, maybe you don't go for Eifert, but I definitely think you go for a guy like Escobar and see which one between he and Michael Egnew steps up in the long run.
     
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  32. ToddPhin

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    Sounds like a possibility. I guess it would come down to how they feel about Egnew, no. I get the feeling Ireland means what he says about having high hopes for him this year, especially after having to begrudgingly give up prematurely on Gates last year. Staying with your prior notion, I think if we sign Keller then perhaps we go with another speedy option later on like Gragg. Then again, if we have Keller, Egnew, and Clay, perhaps they'd want one physical TE to round out the group??
     
  33. KB21

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    IMO, then you look at Travis Kelce. I do think Mike Sherman would like to maintain the flexibility to spread things out as well as bring the in tight when needed. To me, Keller is as useful as **** on a boar hog as a blocker. Escobar and Egnew are right there with him. If you need a blocker, you have to look at a guy like Kelce. Plus, the team nontendered Mastrud, which was the only other blocker at tight end on the team.

    Of course, they could just decide to say the hell with blocking from the tight end position and go all out spread.
     
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  34. Ludacris

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    more like a steal
     
  35. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    He is more raw than Gates
     
  36. ToddPhin

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    Frustrating trying to figure them out this year. lol
    I don't remember Philbin having a blocking TE. Didn't he use a FB more than a TE in that regard?...... What about Sherman? Do you recall anything with him?

    We've shown interest in Kelce, right?
     
  37. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    It is obvious that Sherman used Lane as he is the reason Lane is a Dolphin.
     
  38. KB21

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    Sherman probably wants more blocking from the position than Philbin was used to with Finley, but Sherman still played his tight end more off the line and in the backfield than as a traditional Y tight end.

    [video=youtube;yNcKHOJP-NQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yNcKHOJP-NQ[/video]

    Just to get some ideas, the first play on the clip is 4 wide with 3 bunched. Swope is the inside guy who runs a flat route to the opposite side. The tight end is the on the line guy split with Jeff Fuller as the outside receiver to the top, lined up off the line. Fuller and the receiver to the bottom of the screen both run vertical stretches. The defense is in a cover 3. With Swope and the tight end coming across the formation, a lot of stress is being put on the linebackers. It is basically a levels play.
     
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    If people think the Dolphins will draft T. Austin at #12 they are crazy.

    I wouldn't be surprised if it was an OL or DE.

    I think Irelend would be more likely to try to go up after D. Milner than to draft Austin at 12.
     
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  40. KB21

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    Man. Ryan Swope is so good!
     
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