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Miami Draft Strategy

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  1. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    I've been called worse. lol
     
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  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    If anything Ireland isn't the best at hiding who he is going to draft in the first round. So far he has shown enough interest and coupled with past rumors that he was interested in Harvin, it isn't crazy to think he will draft Austin.

    Plus he still has two 2nds to go OL and DE.
     
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  3. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    [video=youtube;G719Z8QuFkY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G719Z8QuFkY[/video]

    This is Finley from 2011. Notice how much time he spends split out wide, not in the slot. You can see what Joe Philbin envisioned when he pushed for Michael Egnew, IMO.
     
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  4. Jcouch1021

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    I understand the crazy erection everyone has for Austin, butttt I'd rather draft a need. I'd have to agree with the crazy comment made about drafting him. We JUST forked over big money to two of our receivers. I doubt they want to drop another valuable assets like a #12 overall pick on the same spot. Honestly a man can dream but let's get back down to earth. TE need CB need DT need OT/G need ....catch my drift
     
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  5. KB21

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    [video=youtube;diclp2_25ys]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diclp2_25ys[/video]

    Just don't sleep on this kid. He's a piss poor blocker, but he's got a lot of untapped receiving potential in him. Too early to give up on him.
     
  6. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Why is DT a need? Plus Long is most likely back, plus OT/G need could be done in 2nd or 3rd round. TE need can be done in 2nd or 3rd round. CB need could also be done in 2nd or 3rd round or free agency.

    Miami wants a high octane quick hit offense. A way to do that is with a quick/fast guy in the slot.
     
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  7. KB21

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    [video=youtube;WgZm7M3PoO8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgZm7M3PoO8[/video]

    I hate that this guy tested poorly, but it may have kept him out of the first round. Granted, this is a highlight video from his sophomore season when he had Ryan Lindley throwing him the ball, but the guy has natural hands and body control. Strong possibility for Miami with the 42nd pick, IMO.
     
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  8. rafael

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    Exactly. DT isn't a need. And CB is a need that could be filled anywhere. You don't need to use the #12 pick to find a zone CB or a G. OT is a possibility, but IMO less of one than DE. TE is a possibility but you better believe that Eifert is another Gronk or you're way over paying for the position. You'd be overpaying for Austin too, but at least he's not a talent you can find anywhere.
     
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  9. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Call Me Maybe is an interesting song choice.

    It is hard to imagine a 4.8 TE going in the 2nd round.
     
  10. Boik14

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    DE is more of a need then DT. Guard isnt a need as Incognito and Jerry are adequate (since Richie is a pro bowler and Jerry has steadily improved)
     
  11. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I also don't think DE is much of a need. I think there is a chance that Miami is happy with Odrick at DE and look forward to the development of Vernon. They also could bring in a cheap veteran.

    If a Dion Jordan falls, I wouldn't be surprised if Miami does take him, or if Star falls, I wouldn't be surprised if Miami takes him.

    However I wouldn't be surprised if Miami takes Austin. It is obvious that he is someone that they are considering.
     
  12. Ludacris

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    Soliai is a free agent next year and Starks hasn't signed his franchise tag contract yet which is only a one year thing anyway. DT has to be in discussion at least.
     
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  13. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    He looks faster on the field than he ran on the track.
     
  14. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Deep DT draft this year. We don't need to take one in the 1st to address the need.
     
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  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    against college kids.
     
  16. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Wouldn't you love to see DJ put a similar hit on Brady, just without the pose afterwards?
     
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  17. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Obviously it's against college players. That's all we have to compare any of them with, is other college players.
     
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  18. LBsFinest

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    well that would be pretty disappointing.
     
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  19. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Which is why looking faster on the field could be an illusion. Since everyone on the field is slower than NFL players.
     
  20. ToddPhin

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    That IS a need. You don't sign Wallace for $60 million and leave it at that. That short-minded type of thinking is what Parcells did with Marshall. The moment Wallace signed the dotted line we committed ourselves to maximizing the 60 million dollar investment in him, which means getting the most out of both Wallace and the cast around him. Perhaps you might be ok with defenses throwing a safety over top every game to limit his vertical ability but I sure as s*** am not. Might as well not have signed him if that's the case.... catch my drift.

    When we brought in Brandon Marshall, all we did was bring in a big time receiver; that's it. Wallace on the other hand isn't the end all be all this time around; he's part of an actual vision, and in that vision a dynamic at WR/TE needs to be created or else all we're doing is adding another big name receiver. The dynamic between Wallace & Austin seems so great that I wouldn't be surprised if it were the desired plan all along. They're like yin & yang together. It's such a great dynamic in our case that Tavon at 12 could easily represent value. All I can say is you're thinking inside the box WADR. I'm shocked that any fans are content to put down the hammer half way into building a truly explosive offense. BTW, we're filling holes in FA so that we can make a move like this in the draft, but if you wanna continue being an inside the box thinker that's your prerogative. Were you one of the posters last year telling me Tannehill wasn't worthy of pick 8?
     
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  21. djphinfan

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    Offensively speaking, if your all about adding skill players, and Eifert and Austin aren't in your top 3 or 4 at this point, I'm not sure what their looking at in this draft, point is, they better be in play if we want to hit on that pick.

    Now if your Ireland and you wanna go offensive tackle, your at the mercy of the draft, the three top guys are blue chip prospects, if one of them doesn't drop, then the chances of selecting a skillset player increases..

    Cooper and Warmack are great guard prospects..that's all ill say because who the fu&$ knows what were gonna do.

    Defensively speaking, there are two players that have enough upside for me to take over Austin and Eifert..thats Jordan and Sheldon.

    Those four players are guys that have just about equal upside for their respected positions, so its just a matter of who would be the most impactful, but I don't believe Sheldon or Dion will be there, thus once again increasing the chances of taking a skillset player..
     
  22. ToddPhin

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    It's amazing how some posters feverishly want to address every hole on the team but when it comes to the one at starting slot receiver in this new high octane offense they treat it as an afterthought despite the likelihood of the position leading the WR corps in touches just as Cobb does in GB. You could argue it's the position that ties everything together at WR & TE.
     
  23. MrClean

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    Not all college players are slower than NFL players.
     
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  24. djphinfan

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    I wrote this in another thread, but you describe it better..and I 100 % agree, mine has a little other something in terms of offensive strategy.

    "When I wrote that, about it being perfect, I only meant with what we have to choose from..no way would Keller and EIfert be my perfect scenario if it was me, I would of resigned Fasano, because I think Fasano and Eifert would of been the right balance of skillsets to execute 12 personnel from a run and Pass perspective..

    If their on a balanced line, lined up outside the tackles, then Eifert has enough to get by with Fasano on the other side, he's so athletic and fluid im sure he could excel in trappin and pulling out in the zone, but you don't want two fasanos when you want to pass out 12 personnel..This is where Eifert will flourish, and will still flourish no matter who is mate will be.

    Eifert and Keller aren't the ideal combination running out of that formation, because Keller sucks as a blocker..Eifert is pretty good at this pont, but, Fasano and Eifert would of been sweet because Fasano was an underrated pass catcher, Eifert and Fasano would of been the equivilant of a receiver taking the top off a defense, and a good possession receiver uderneath, just within the hashes if you know what I Mean..Would of been a cool dynamic though, I'm a sucker for the run game, wanted to draft Lacy and go with that power spread hybrid package..simple philosophy of Wallace on the outside, taking that safety out so they can't drop that extra man, then draft the kind of back Lacy is, so he can pound people in space with his power and agility, I wanted that agressive bigger back that lacy is because there's nothing more bad *** then a power back with speed running in space...so from that simple spacing concept, A Wallace Lacy, give and take dynamic, with Eifert working all up in the hashes, short, intermediate, and deep, Hartline workin on the perimeter stuff and just playing with 2nd corners heads all day, Bess diggin and jerkin underneath , I think it is the perfect complimentary offense, so it is my draft strategy..I also think Tavon Austin can create the same advantage with Wallace in the power spread concept.

    Whatta you think DPate, you think we're gonna be going with a more spread attack if we sign Keller?"

    End quote .


    Obviously i would do anything to have Eifert and Austin, they would make this offense unstoppable with proper qb'ing.
     
  25. ToddPhin

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    No, cause that would mean I'd have to cheer for him.
    The only parallel I could think of would be like if Himmler played for the Israeli National Team in the 40's. lol
     
  26. VanDolPhan

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    I agree. Still bringing Gibson down here shows they aren't done. Bess days may be numbered.
     
  27. Gitrdone

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    Everyone here thinks it's Austin Ireland wants, what if that is what he wants people to think? If we are onto it this early, other people would catch on. Could he be planning to take Patterson? We are not hearing much about that. He has big play potential also. I will be happy as long as he brings in playmakers.

    Patterson
    Austin
    Swope
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    Eifert if we don't get Keller.
    Few defensive guys also.
     
  28. PhinsRock

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    I could definitely get behind Serena, drive her all the way home :lol:
     
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  29. DearbornDolfan

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    I can't handle that much manliness. All that loud grunting...
     
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  30. Clark Kent

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    10 yard split was the same as Eifert. He finished 2nd in the three conde drill (7.07) behind Eifert (6.92). Escobar also bested Eifert in the 20 yard shuttle 4.31 to 4.32 (I know, big difference). He also did great int he gauntlet drill. While his forty didn't light the world on fire, he certainly performed well in every other area. With TE's becoming the commodity they're, I could see him going round 2.
     
  31. BuckeyeKing

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    If we go WR 12 I still rather have Patterson than Austin. Austin's size scares me I fear for his durability.
     
  32. Gitrdone

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    That's what scares me also with him, he is electric but that size worries me.
     
  33. Boomer

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    Don't know why you think it would be crazy but would be interested to see if you could back that up.
     
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  34. Gitrdone

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    How many 5'8" 174lb wr's have had all pro careers in the nfl? People are bigger and faster now, I just think he will struggle fighting for the football at that size in nfl. Once he catches the ball look out, kid is flat out dangerous. The size could hurt him though, would rather get him if he is around in second. If coaches feel he can play at next level at a high level that's all I need.
     
  35. Lee2000

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    I continue to see Bess mentioned as a cut when Gibson's name comes up. Gibson is not a slot guy. Bess is. You need a slot guy and at the moment that person is Bess. Gibson is maybe a 4 or 5 in my view, but he wants 2 money. A lot of folks on this board don't like him. I am somewhere between intrigued and indifferent.
     
  36. Lee2000

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    Did you read about his reps in the bench press (he benched 225 14 times)? He is a strong guy for his size. Not like Ray Rice, but still strong. I am not worried about his durability, at least yet. And he is not like White was as I continue to see the comparisons. Here are his workout numbers: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...idifies-1st-round-status-with-amazing-workout
     
  37. Lee2000

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    14 reps on the bench press. One of the fastest guys at the draft and one of the quickest. I think he is all together a different player than some of the little guys we have seen come through the league and through training camp in Miami.
     
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    Yep Welker is about that at 5'9 185 and he is slow as **** funny enough he isnt that bad ;) To bad the brain trust couldnt think outside of the box with him
     
  39. Gitrdone

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    I don't care how much he can bench, that doesn't overly help you fight thru tight coverage for a football. I think he can take shots just fine, I want to know if he can catch a ball with defender in his hip pocket, Patterson has the size to fight off coverage for the ball. I'm not sure Austin can, I would love him to prove me wrong if we draft him though. I would be happy at 12 with either of those 2 (Austin/Patterson).
     
  40. Drowning

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    Scheduling another wr visit with a te signing in the horizon. I can't imagine an offensive first pick other than ot. Long was legendary while he was rolling. Didn't last but if Ireland is a ill take my notes from history dude, this is where he is going. The surprise may be he'll come trade up for one.

    No interest at all in DBS after the loss of our #1 is also another hint but we'll have to wait on this. As per pft teams aren't biting on DBS early waiting on discounts. I'd rather sign a prove vet here for a year or two and pick up cb lat first day.

    It's a fun offseason though ain't it?
     

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