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Mike Wallace contract

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Sumlit, Mar 14, 2013.

  1. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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  2. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Thoroughly confused as to why they would choose to give him such a low 2013 salary cap number at the direct expense of his ultra-high 2014 salary cap number.
     
  3. gilv13

    gilv13 Well-Known Member

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  4. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    Two words: Randy Starks
     
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  5. Claymore95

    Claymore95 Working on it... Club Member

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    Ouch at the salary cap hit next year...
     
  6. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    My guess is they want more money to sign players this year, and are counting on other players being off the books next year to offset the high Wallace number.
     
  7. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    How much do they save by keeping Dansby/Burnett on the books until June 1st? That's my guess.
     
  8. Claymore95

    Claymore95 Working on it... Club Member

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    Agree. Doesn't make a lot of sense considering we have the space this year to absorb more of the hit.
     
  9. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    I thought I read somewhere that before FA we only had $71M or so on the books next season. Even if you had the $18M from Wallace that still leaves us at $89M. I don't know what Ellerbe's contract looks like for next season.

    Edit:

    Found this.

    You can pretty much take Matt Moore's 5.5M off that total. Looks like $37.24M. Add that to the $71M and it looks like we're at $108.24M.

    Disclaimer: These totals could be completely wrong, it's just my guess.
     
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  10. CANDolphan

    CANDolphan Well-Known Member

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    Edit whoops wrong thread
     
  11. Springveldt

    Springveldt Season Ticket Holder

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/cap-hit/2014/

    Even with Wallace and the monster number our cap number next year still looks really healthy.

    Makes sense why Dansby and Burnett were designated June 1st cuts now, to offset some of that Wallace number.

    If Wallace bombs we could actually cut him after 2 years and get a decent cap saving.
     
  12. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    Geez. I'm not even close at $108M. Looks like we're even better off.
     
  13. DePhinistr8

    DePhinistr8 Season Ticket Holder

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    Right now on the books for 95 million in 2014

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/cap-hit/2014/

    I can certainly see where some of these guys may be gone by then (thomas, patterson, marshall)
     
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  14. DePhinistr8

    DePhinistr8 Season Ticket Holder

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    Ah beat me to it!
     
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  15. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    You can carry the space over. I haven't looked at the contract yet but my guess is they want the flexibility to carry the space over.
     
  16. Springveldt

    Springveldt Season Ticket Holder

    Given how much space we still have I think we will be carrying over a decent sized chunk into next year.
     
  17. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I think its maybe time to give Dawn Aponte some serious props.
     
  18. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Lots of room for Revis next year, when the new team he gets traded to doesn't extend him....:wink2:
     
  19. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    I'd hit it....

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  20. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    So, it's basically a 2 year deal... unless we choose to keep it going. KB will be pleased. We will be able to get out before Wallace loses all of his speed... the only thing that makes him effective in the NFL.
     
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  21. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    His cap hit for the 3rd year goes down about $5 million from year 2.
     
  22. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    Nice find. I speculated in another thread yesterday that judging from the contract #'s for Ellerbe and Wheeler that Ireland might be dumping a lot of salary into the 2014 cap. The numbers on Wallace confirms my suspicions.
     
  23. gandalfin

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    In spite of this year I really think we will stick to counting on the draft to build the team. I don't think we will be such big players again in FA any time soon. At least I hope not. If we are, then it will probably indicate we've continued to do a poor job of building the team.
     
  24. DePhinistr8

    DePhinistr8 Season Ticket Holder

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    heheheh
     
  25. RoninFin4

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    Keep in mind though that Miami's going to have to eventually extend Reshad Jones for next year, and if they're smart, in my opinion, they'd start working on Mike Pouncey, maybe Chris Clemons, and consider guys like Tannehill, Miller, and Martin if they prove they're legitimate this year.
     
  26. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    lol @ extending players after their second year... #1. It's bad business from a team standpoint. #2. It's bad business for a client who could on to have a monster year 3, and be eligible to make more money. #3. We're the Miami Dolphins.
     
  27. JMORGAN6977

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    They just tipped their hand on that one. Starks will be gone so they may be looking to draft a DL high or they think they have the backup on the team already. Good call on Starks
     
  28. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Yep... but with as high as the year 2 cap it is... that doesnt say much, lol.
     
  29. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    The new CBA prevents young players from getting extended or from getting a new contract until after year 3 or 4 I believe.

    For example... the 49ers and Seahawks will have very cheap, productive QBs for a while.
     
  30. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    I think he meant that Starks' high number this year from the franchise tag is the reason why they are putting more money in 2014? They could extend Starks at any time and make him fit under 2014's cap... so I dont think the structure of these deals have anything to do with whether Starks will be back in 2014.

    Could be wrong though... I'm not good with the cap stuff.
     
  31. Stringer Bell

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    I don't see how this is just a two year deal. A lot more likely the deal lasts 3 years.

    Cutting him after year two would incur almost $10M in dead money. Cutting him after the third year would incur ~$4.5M. If they're going to cut him after 2014, they might as well keep him another year.

    Essentially its a 3 year deal for $30M.

    What is going to be interesting to see is how much the salary cap increases in 2015. Very likely will see Mike Wallace hold out for more money going into 2015 in accordance with a significantly increased cap number.
     
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  32. Stringer Bell

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    Why is it bad business for the team or client? The team ends up trading job security and guaranteed money to the player in return for less money.
     
  33. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    1. Paying more when you don't have to since player is under contract.

    2. Client could make more money with better play. Think Joe Flacco salary now vs. extension in 2010/2011.
     
  34. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    1. You don't have to pay anyone anything. The point is that a guy like Jordy Nelson makes less than Brian Hartline because he was given greater security.

    2. The client is also at great risk of injury and subsequently making very little. The overwhelming majority of players will strike when the iron is hot. Flacco is the exception to the rule really. Nobody wants to play on the final year of their contract. Thats why players hate the franchise tag so much.
     
  35. Two Tacos

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    That would mean that he played up to his contract. Not that bad of a problem IMO. He wouldn't have much leverage at that point.
     
  36. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Sucks for Jordy Nelson... Players want security, but not at the risk of losing out on huge money (Brian Hartline for instance). Obviously Flacco didn't want to play on the final year of his deal. However, Baltimore was never going to him that kind of money previously, which he wanted. Flacco not making a deal for less benefited him. Not sure why that makes him the exception. We see it happen all the time. Which is why the franchise tag exists.
     
  37. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    The fact that Miami can get out of this deal after 3 years with a relatively small amount of dead money makes this deal a little more palatable. It's still overpaying for what he actually does on the field, but it is a brilliant structure.

    With Jordy Nelson, he's going to have the same issue that Greg Jennings has when it comes time to be a free agent. He signed for security before he blossomed, and now he's underpaid for what he does. When he gets to the point that he can cash in, he's going to be a 30 year old receiver who people aren't going to jump to giving a big contract to.

    I'll bet dollars to donuts that Green Bay takes one of these three receivers in this draft (Quinton Patton, Stedman Bailey, or Ryan Swope).
     
  38. Stringer Bell

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    Brian Hartline came out and essentially said that he'd have taken a lower deal last season. When do you ever see players want to play under the franchise tag?
     
  39. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Seems like you were correct and on the right track. PFT is calling basically a 3 year 37mil deal... with our option from year to year after that...

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ces-cap-number-in-2013-is-only-3-2-5-million/
     
  40. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    I figured you'd love the structure of the deal... :wink2:
     

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