Best suited yes, but I think he could play Jared Odrick's role very well. I still think adding someone like Jarvis Jones or Desmond Trufant at 12, if they're there, would be more ideal.
Has anyone seen a mock draft since free agency opened a few days ago? Particularily a 7 round mock draft.
Robert Woods really fits the mold of what an ideal receiver in this offense looks like. Extremely productive, route running, good speed, and the ability to play fast in the slot not just in RAC and short catches, but threatening the seam as well. I like him as the team's slot WR more than I do drafting Austin at 12.
I came away from watching Woods thinking he was decent but not impressive. I'd spend a 3 on him but I'd be upset if we used our 12th overall on him. He definitely fits the system, but is nothing extraordinary in terms of talent or measurables.
The late second rounder, at worst the early second for me. They're really ignoring CB, that's almost a give-away sign with Ireland that the pick is a CB. Wild guess it's Trufant in a trade down to 18-20. That would give Miami another second rounder. Then sign a veteran CB, maybe even Marcus Trufant or one of the other guys for a low rate and go BPA.
I don't want Robert Woods. I think he brings much of the same of what we already have. I think he is similar to another USC WR, as a slightly better Steve Smith. He could be solid WR, but with the Dolphins newfound depth at the position I'd rather see them take a guy with bigger upside and/or someone with great speed like a Kenny Stills or Marquess Wilson.
They've rarely ever asked for great speed from their WRs. Wallace is an exception but as long as you have 4.45-4.5 speed you're fine and Woods has that. That said they may just trade Bess and not take a WR until much later as a value pick.
randy Starks can't drop in coverage with fluidity, or play linebacker, or chase down backs 30 yards downfield.
No, but in this defense he wouldn't have to if Richardson was playing the 5 Technique. Starks has more INTs over the past two seasons than most of Miami's DBs though...
I was thinking the same thing about Trufant, but my scenario would be drafting Tavon Austin at 12 and trading up from the second to secure Trufant.
http://www.drafttek.com/2013-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round1.asp I don't think its a very good one, also no way Ertz makes it to our second pick in round two, I would be shocked.
I personally think we go with one of these 3 guys, Rhodes, Fisher if he drops and we don't sign Long or Austin (who I think is a reach at 12)
If corner is the plan by this front office, I would absolutely look to trade down a bit, I think Trufant could wind up bringing great value in a trade down scenario.
Pay attention to Montee Ball. I think he's their type of RB. GB is all over him and he'd be a nice pick. He has some speed after the initial cut and he's really what Daniel Thomas should have been for Miami. He's also very solid out of the backfield. I would love to have a RB that could be relied on to get 3-5 yards on each carry rather than one that gets a huge play then leaves you high and dry at the 30 after getting it. A consistent running game with an explosive passing game is my preference over an explosive running game.
Have you not been around all offseason Jaj? Ball is smooth as silk..downhill, traditional, and so fundamentally sound in his movement, it's a joy to watch... I would like one of these backs in this draft..Lacy..Ball..Ellington..Franklin..Taylor..Sofele...
I could see that. I question his speed. Really like the kid from Arkansas. But, Ball would be decent in the 4th round or later. So would Michael out of T A&M. We should know a good bit about him and his character and ability from our OC.
So, while I still doubt Tavon Austin will be picked by Miami - just to return to him a bit ... If Long comes in (please...) I really like Austin more and more - not as a real possibility knowing Irish - but as a real quality player at that spot ... I like that he could be a PR/KR near the Dante Hall level (which makes him a very dynamic player); then he would play the slot but could also shift to the backfield to carry the ball or catch screens in the flat. Put him one-on-one against most LB's and it's over. It's a guaranteed 8-10 yard gain, plus, most of the time.
I think the 4 most likely targets at 12 overall are Bjoern Werner, Tank Carradine, Xavier Rhodes and Jarvis Jones. I would have Lane Johnson, Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel and Dee Milliner in there but I don't see any of them falling to that pick.
So you see Jarvis Jones perhaps as Miami's Von Miller opposite Wake, Miami's Dumervil? It's very tough to say exactly what Miami's planning on doing right now on the defensive end. The only thing that seems to be a constant is that they like having a big defensive end on the outside in Jared Odrick. Other than that I don't see any noteworthy tells in their strategy right now.
Mediocre Combine. Unfortunately, it happens. Zeke Ansah seems to have tremendous momentum right now. Has de-stabilized Werner's stock.
I wouldn't have thought so before but I'm just reading the tea leaves in the moves Miami has been making, the visits (the ones they're OK with people knowing about, and the ones they're not)...I think he's in play.
It's very difficult predicting exactly what Miami will do on the defensive end, they've got such an odd alignment.
Ok question for you then, how many if those DEs are effective rushing the passer from the right side then?
if we just go by pass rushers who you prefer werner or carradine ? would carradine be able to contribute this year ?
I think you've covered it pretty well in this thread. I think Disgustipate has touched on it too in that it's almost like an Under type of defense (the pseudo 3-4 looking thing), but it's inverted as Wake is almost always on the defense's left side. With Jarvis Jones, I think he'd essentially be an upgrade to Koa Misi, opposite Wake, at whatever you want to call that OLB position. He still allows you some flexibility to move him around in nickel alignments, like Miami did down the stretch with Olivier Vernon, and even experimented with Josh Kaddu in the Jacksonville game. At this point, Jones would be my #1 target for the 12th pick. Just my opinion, but I think he could do really well based on what we've seen schematically under Kevin Coyle.
Werner looks like a fit at that RE spot. The only question I have with him is can he hold it down against the run? If it were a pure 3-4 I'd say no, but he's got Randy Starks at the three technique right next to him so it's not like he's going to play five technique. Jarvis Jones would be a major change in that he'd be on the field far more than Misi ever was. Cinncy has never really made any use out of that kind of rush LB in a 4-3. Baltimore has and there are some connections but it's still a high pick on a guy that may or not be on the field as much as say Werner would. You could make a strong argument that it's your third most position on the football field (blindside rusher).
I'd love Jones, but hopefully we d have taken care of either ot or CB in fa. Not nearly as high as Ck is on Werner because I don't see him having a lot of success as a pass rusher at the next level. Solid player but not worth passing on a bigger need area over IMO. Jones, however is a different story.
People catching up with the tape and seeing a lack of explosion and athletic ability and a one paced rusher lacking a multitude of rush moves.
Carradine has the highest long term potential as a pass rusher. People were overrating in the extreme how much the ACL counts against him when they had him going in the 2nd and even 3rd round because of the injury. That was never going to happen, IMO. On the other hand with a 12 overall pick the injury does have its place in the evaluation. We're seeing more than ever that the primary value you get back from making a draft pick is just those first four years...because then they become expensive (Hartline) or they go elsewhere (Smith...Langford...Long?). If Carradine is only able to have essentially half of a rookie season or he needs to redshirt his rookie season because of the ACL then you've impacted your potential return on him in those first four years. All that said he's probably the most trustworthy bet as a pure pass rushing right defensive end in the entire Draft. But is he going to be the best football player, including and especially during those first four years? Not better than Werner, in my opinion. Werner's more of a complete guy and he's also a very good pass rusher because his technique is consistent and his hard-wired reaction times are different. He's not as good of an athlete but he'll make plays by sacking the quarterback, getting off blocks and taking running backs down in the backfield, getting his hands into passing lanes and knocking the football down, etc. Werner's motor doesn't run as high as Carradine's but I think that's coachable. I've seen so many guys come from college that turn people off with bad motor and then in the pros they're totally different. Between Haloti Ngata, Carlos Dunlap, Michael Johnson and to some extent Jason Pierre-Paul, I'm tired of dinging guys (even if only slightly, as was the case with JPP whom I still loved overall) for what is perceptible loafing on a college football field, only to see them show much better motor on an NFL football field. I think peer pressure, money and professional coaches in your ear every day seem to do wonders for guys that look like they're not playing from snap to whistle or they're taking plays off. I'm not going to shed any tears if either is the pick at 12 overall. Love them both. Also like Jarvis Jones a lot but I'm a little wary about the spinal stenosis thing. Still, the primary person taking on the risk from that is Jarvis himself...and this goes back to the value of taking a guy in the draft mostly deriving from what you get in those first four years. Jarvis Jones' neck may or may not allow him to be a 10 year player at the position, but you could argue all he really needs to be in order to be valuable is a 4 or 5 year player, and even Marcus McNeil made it 6 years before he was forced to retire because of spinal stenosis.
