Good have fun in St. Louis..... Sign Dumerville and draft an OL at 12 if Rhodes gets picked beforehand...... They can get a younger cheaper option via the draft without much drop off as far as performance is concerned..... back away from the ledge guys, he spurned Miami the money wasn't that different, he didn't want to be there....
This was pretty crappy news to wake up to. My reactions as they happened: 1. Well, this seals the deal, Jake Long as the first overall pick was not the correct selection for this franchise. Letting what is supposed to be your cornerstone player walk does not speak well for the initial selection, regardless of the player's talent level. 2. We should settle left tackle quickly. Whether that's signing Vollmer to play the left side, or signing a right tackle and keeping Martin on the left side, I don't know. But the position should be settled fast, and preferably without using a high draft pick. 3. Here's hoping that speculation that the Dolphins were waiting on Jake Long before making other contract offers was true. There are still decent corners to be had, there are still pass rushers out there, and there are still low contract players who can help the team. Let's get them. 4. Consume phallic objects, Jeff Fisher.
#4 hahahahaah^^^^ Also guys look here, it wasnt between JUST Miami and the Lou, Pitt was involved as well....seem he was a long shot to come back...
Mixed feelings. Glad we won't have a HUGE number tied up in a LT anymore. Jake at this point is a risk. Spend that extra cap space somewhere else. On the other hand we now have a hole that will be filled by another question mark. Option #1 Spend yet another resource in the draft to put on a mediocre line. Option #2 Sign either a guy with a bad back, a guy who's played RT for a number of years or sign an old fat miami native who has definitely seen better days. I for one was not happy with Martin last year and am not confident in his ability. I like the rest of you know he was a rookie and should improve, but it better be substantial.
Pretty amazing that a guy who banked $60 million guaranteed on his rookie deal would let $1 million a year be the deciding factor.
Waiting for the always ridiculous...... "He's got to be able to make a living and provide for his family" LOL Sad side of the business. Some players have grown above it and take "home town discounts" to stay where they want to be now..... Long isn't one of them obviously. As bad as some feel about this, I imagine no one feels worse than Tannehill! Tanny better get real limber and ready to run this year!
He liked the "vision and entire organization"? Bull crap! Winning means nothing to him? Not to sound spiteful but that totally tips the scale for me. They will not win that division for the foreseeable future. At least Miami has a chance!...... Have fun losing in St. Louie!
Nice ****ty dose of reality for fans to quaff this morning. Every time Ireland fills a hole 5 more seem to show up. But I'm sure he's thrilled he gets to use another top pick on "the trenches".
And if Ireland had overpaid to keep him, you wouldn't be upset that he overpaid for an oft-injured LT on the down slope of his career?
Honestly if injury was the main factor here they should of went ahead and franchised long over starks. If he had a 3rd straight year of injuries no one would be complaining if they didn't resign him next year also could of then got younger at dt in the draft. Which comes to what I was saying when Starks got tagged it was a failure that they couldn't get him signed.
If we had paid Smith/Langford/Long/Vontae etc. We might not have Wallace now and whoever comes in. Really though the only must have big holes right now are CB and OT. Everything else falls under "Looking forward to next year" and "that would be nice". Even at CB we still have Richard Marshall (if back is healthy) and Patterson able to hold #2/#3. We just need to find a true #1 CB and sort out the depth there. If we move Martin to LT and sign a RT...then really the only glaring hole is Corner...and that can be filled with a first if we have to.........but you can get starters at CB in the 2nd. Then we can hit wishlist stuff like grooming a FS to replace Clemons, A LB to replace Misi (why pay him even a Donald Thomas contract if we can go cheaper), Groom another WR (Why not....were Green Bay south here), OL help later in the draft to groom for Incognito or Jerry's eventual departure (unless Jerry somehow comes in this season at 315lbs ready to go from day 1...HAH!). I like the position we are in right now. We have very few MUST DRAFT YESTERDAY holes and can draft with an eye toward next year.
Starks tag = 8.45 million. Long tag = roughly $15 million. That's why. Also like I was saying about keeping an eye on next year. This is a VERY good DT draft from round 1 right through early 3rd. We could grab a DT in the 2nd and groom him for next year. 5 picks in the first 3 rounds = opportunity to pull some possible good starters out of this draft.
Impossible to say without knowing how much Long required to stay. I'm not saying I believe Ireland is completely to blame. Too early to tell whether it was the right move yet or not. But once again, this team loses another first round pick from the roster. Long gone. Vontae gone. Odrick - average. Tannehill - jury is out. That leaves Pouncey as the only proven 1st rounder in 5 drafts. Not good.
I seriously don't understand this point of view. Long was an elite LT and is still a good one = That's a good pick Vontae is a solid starter for the Colts = That's a good pick Odrick is a solid starter = That's a good pick Tannehill has shown nothing but promise = Preliminary good pick (could change to a bad pick or an amazing pick) You cannot base a draft pick on what team they are currently playing on. There are too many reasons a player might not be on the first team to say it was a bad pick.
I dont understand how you can place value on players no longer on the roster. As I've said before, retaining key players is an integral part of any GMs job. How can you expect any team or GM to be successful if a team cannot retain it's players? Does anyone have a quick and easy way to determine how other teams have faired in retaining first round picks since 2008? I don't think Ireland would stack up very well. I could be wrong. Also, haven't you labeled VD anything but a quality player when you defended Ireland for trading him? We'll have to see how he uses that 2nd round pick before determining if we can squeeze any remaining value out of that first rounder.
Hate to lose Big Jake, particularly if he can stay healthy. Still haven't heard all the details of the offer he accepted from St. Louis, but read "four years and up to 36mil" so I'm guessing it was an incentive based contract. Curious if we made him any offer prior to him going to St. Louis, and if so what is was? Starting to think Jake wanted out of Miami for whatever reason, but that is just my gut. Oh well, best of luck to him, and onward and upward for us. I'm sure we will be investing some early/high picks on a tackle yet again.
Why does what team a player play for have anything to do with their talent level? That makes no sense. Does Revis suck because he is trade bait? No of course not. A whole lot of players get traded or released every year that are considered good or better. You do understand, our system changed after the that draft. You also understand that we were drafting based on our original system and the new WildCat system with a poor coach and a poor gameplan. The players drafted weren't bad players for the most part. Some are very good players. They just didn't fit our ever changing system thanks to Sparano being a mental midget and Henning have one foot in the career grave. Clear gameplan and a clear system gave us a helluva draft last year and a pretty amazing FA period so far. Since Ireland has been in place in both periods, what's been the difference? I've said VD was not a good fit for our team under Philbin. Had VD been drafted this year, and been the exact same player, I'd call it a bad pick, because he didn't fit the current system.
Nope. Drafting a lineman #1 overall was beyond ******ed. If there ever was a "That's soooo Dolphins!" moment, that was it. On the bright side: I think Jackie Long is now available. lol
Yah. Ted Ginn Jr., Yatil Green, Sammie Smith, Jason Allen, Ronnie Brown, Eddie Moore (2nd round pick..but still wtf?), Jamar Fletcher, John Avery, Billy Milner, Eric Kumerow, John Bosa, Lorenzo Hampton, Jackie Shipp, David Overstreet (Tragedy there..but contract dispute and death led to what..2 seasons total?). Plenty of first round busts that set this team back much farther. At least Jake Long can play.
Good Luck to him. I'm disappointed he didn't stay but oh well. Unfortunately, this means we'll be drafting a tackle high in the draft again. If that's indeed the plan, I hope that the plan doesn't include Martin on the left. Once he got manhandled by the Pats in that last game I lost all confidence in him going forward.
Well considering they haven't needed a QB whatsover since Marino retired... Let me think... Taylor Mehlhaff! Non-skill positions are obviously what wins games, but he would have had an advantage over Long, since kickers actually put points on the board.
The thing that sucks about this is that, losing Long and Smith means we have to address those positions in the draft most likely, instead of just drafting the best player at the spot.
... But none were selected number one overall. This was their chance to finally address the most important position on the field, ahead of EVERYONE else, and they choose a non-skill position instead.
I think most would agree (especially with Long now gone) that Ryan was the better choice/option. Possible franchise QB > possible franchise LT. That's my opinion anyway.
