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If they do - and that's a big if - then I think DDP deserves some credit for saving both of their lives.

 

Absolutely. He should get a ton of credit just for trying.

 

As someone that has just gotten back into watching wrestling.....(the last time i was so into it, the undisputed title was here)

Can someone explain to me why they keep the WWE title and World heavyweight championship? Both champions are on the same shows, so it doesnt make sense. Why not just give the world heavyweight champion the IC title (the #2 way back when) and build them up that way? It just seems odd to me. I get it, if they are on seperate shows (smackdown/raw)....but with them being on the same shows, it takes away the importance of being "the best" imo

 

they were on separate shows till recently.

 

ok.....my question still stands....

 

well they just recently got back on the same show. I think the raw belt is seen as the bigger one now. The smackdown is kind of a smaller belt. But yeah, them consolidating them would be nice.

 

I think they just want a reason to trot out the Big Gold Belt.

I personally think that all you need is WWE, Intercontinental, and US ... but that's just me.

 

Agreed.

 

Besides from having the two seperate shows on two seperate networks thus having two seperate brands, they have two "World Champions" so they can run two seperate house shows in different parts of the country/world and still able to promote a "World Title match" for the main event as a draw. Otherwise they feel, and rightfully so, that people wouldn't come out to see a house show if there wasn't a title match main event.

Back in the late 80s the WWF used to run two or sometimes three seperate shows a night. One of the house shows would feature Hulk Hogan as the draw and the B show would feature the IC champion (when they had the most success with gates it was the Honky Tonk Man as people paid money to see him get beat up and possibly lose) in the main event. The C show would usually have the tag team champions in the main event or a 6 man tag team match.

Of course the other reason is because they make money off of selling the belts to customers, hence why they kept the "Spinner" belt for so long.

And yes they have way to many belts now but the belts are pretty much just a prop and meaningless nowadays. Which is really too bad. But that's the business right now. The only way they would merge both titles is if they lost either RAW and Smackdown as a primetime network show.

 

Report out there that Batista has been cast in the new Marvel movie Guardians of the Galaxy which means he could land a role in The Avengers 2 as well depending on his character's fate.

I mean it's good for him, but part of me wishes he would interfer and help Triple H at WM to set up a Batista/Lesnar program which would be all kinds of awesome.

 

Seems odd that they switched Big Sow with Ryback to go against The Shield at WM. Especially considering the slow burn they were executing nicely with Mark Henry. My working theory is that Ryback simply couldn't lift Henry while practicing for WM and so a switch was made.

Not sure where this leaves Show for WM either.

Also, WWE is desperately trying to hire back Diva talent In an effort to boost the division. Wouldn't surprise me if folks like Beth Phoenix and a few others are brought back. I appears they are paying them more than before too. Not sure why the sudden change as it will still be an afterthought, but okay.

Ad finally, it appears that Team Hell No will face Dolph/Langston for the tag titles. Should be a good match, but I feel like its a step down for both sides. I would have much rather seen a program built around The Shield (using Freebirds rules) go up against Hell No for the belts. That woud have freed up Orton, Sheamus and/or Ryback to work with Ziggler.

Hell No vs. The Shield
Sheamus vs. Ziggler
Orton vs Jericho
Ryback vs. Henry vs. Big Show?


Seems like a stronger card to me, but whatever.

 

Also, www.wwe.com has a good read about the top 15 talents that never fully recognized their talents. Some I agree with, others I do not. But I figured it would be a good starting point to post your top ten wrestlers that never won the world title (WWE/WCW)


Honorable Mentions: "British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith, Brian Pillman, William Regal, and Shelton Benjamin

10. Raven
9. Bam Bam Bigelow
8. Owen Hart
7. "Ravishing" Rick Rude
6. Jake "The Snake" Roberts
5. "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig
4. Scott Hall
3. Arn Anderson
2. "Million Dollar Man" Ted Dibiase
1. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper


Also, I may have posted this previously but www.barbershopwindow.com has some hilarious t-shirts.

 

Probably my three favorite wrestlers.

 

raven never realized his talents?? He was a bad *** wrestler. Define never realized their talents??

 

Never got above upper mid-card with WCW. He had the skills to be the world champion for WWE, but never quite could play the political game correctly to get there. The massive amount of drinking and lack of training really soured him with the WWE. He was quoted as saying once, that his cardio was done while in the ring, which is a pretty poor attitude to have.

But his promo work, the character itself and his abilities in the ring were a pretty rare combination for someone who didn't make it as a legit main eventer.

Regarding WWE's list, the Jindrak/O'Haire was amazingly good when they came up. I am still confused to this day as to why WCW decided to split them up.

 

See I just figured they originally put Ryback's name in The Shield match so when he pulls out of it to face Henry it will make the match "much more personal" and they can officially turn Big Show face when he takes Ryback's spot.

 

Yup I loved Raven. He had a great character, great look, great promo skills and could go in the ring when he needed to. Like you said his "personal demons" just buried him. I'm still bitter he only held the WCW US title for 1 day only to get destroyed by Goldberg the next night.

 

strangest opening to raw

 

Good call. And better for Wrestlemania

And tonight's Raw is off to an awful start. The Cena promo led to no where and the PTP were not funny...at least not in the right ways.


And I still don't know how Ryback's T-Rex arms are going to. An,e to wrap around Henry's tree trunk legs for a Shellshock. But if he can do it,color me impressed.

 

these career matches at WM are getting a little old

 

Heyman will make you care though. He is simply the best at telling the story on the mic, in the business.

Assuming he is allowed, weaving a story of how HHH has ended careers of other legends like Mick Foley and seen his best friend, Shawn Michaels, lose the very same match at the very same event (Wrestlemania), as well as his mentor (Flair). The good news about this stipulation is that it actually brings some intrigue for me, personally. Prior to this, it seemed a lock for HHH to win, but now, I am not so sure and for a few reasons.

First off, HHH is taking on more and more backstage duties, is a family man and may be ready to completely hang them up. As a complete student of this sport, he knows that the proper way to conduct business is to lose on your way out. Losing to Lesnar in your last match a WM would give a lot of juice to everyone involved.

On a more anecdotal note, the top three matches all appeared destined to be won by faces. Undertaker is beating Punk and Cena is most likely cashing in his receipt on The Rock (Cena will be a default heel but he is a face) and HHH beating Brock would give a clean sweep to the faces at the top of the card.

Now, that can still be the plan, but my bet is one of those has to go against the faces...and this match is now the best bet.

Now of course, I fully expect for a lot of the heels to win on the undercard so maybe that is how they justify the face heavy to end?

 

You really think the stipulation brings intrigue? Triple H hasn't been an active wrestler for what 3 years now, he only wrestles 2 or 3 times a year max. Even if he loses what are the fans really missing out on here? It would have been slightly better if they said he couldn't wrestle and had to resign from being the COO. I don't know I think it's kind of lame, although really any stipulation would have been. But maybe it's just because I don't want to see Triple H/Brock 2 again to see Triple H get his win back. Actually I'm semi-surprised it wasn't a submission or UFC style match so the WWE could brag that their guy beat a UFC guy at his own game.

So far, in my opinion, the build up to WM has been awful and so have the RAWs. The CM Punk/Undertaker stuff has seemed really forced trying to use the Paul Bearer stuff in it, The Rock is barely on RAW but even so besides him and Cena doing promos back and forth (which got old last year after the 2nd time) there's nothing for them to do. I don't think I would be interesting a free Del Rio vs. Swagger match and there's not much there with the Super Team vs. The Shield. Again maybe it's just me but there's only 1 match I'm looking forward to (Punk/Taker) only because it's something different that we haven't seen in years even if we know the outcome.

 

We know it won't happen but they need to have Punk win, break the streak and have a double retirement, Then Punk becomes what Foley says he couldn't a LEGEND. He will be able to rub in our faces that he beat the Undertaker and overcame everyone. Also it would created such a buzz throughout the wrestling community. Just my 2 cents.

 

You don't end The streak on a guy who doesn't need the rub. Punk is to a point where he is Teflon. The only person on the roster girth now that makes sense to me to end it (if you are going to) is Dolph Ziggler. But that point is moot since A: he isn't facing Taker and B: YOU DON'T END THE STREAK.

Ray, as far as the HHH match goes, they said his "career" is on the line. Me thinks that encompasses more than just his part time wrestling career, but his entire sphere of influence in the WWE. The tail end of this has got to be Heyman trying to weasel his way into running the show on some level. Leaving it ambiguous like that for HHH until next week when the other shoe drops could be brilliant. Also, I disagree about the build up. HHH vs. Lesnar has been built up as a very heated blood feud (literally). The only way it could ramp up more is if they decide to touch on Lesnar walking away years ago because he saw what was coming.

"He saw that Vince's light was dimming and that HHH's was growing in intensity. Yet even though it grew, it wasn't the same light source. Whereas Vince was a genius who inspired greatness, HHH was an oppressor whose light source came from the ashes of those he torched to get to the top. The smoldering remains of souls he buried. From Chyna, to HBK to Flair, Shane McMahon, Vince's own son, and every other superstar that came in contact with him. People quit, people got fired, people got blackballed. All for HHH's personal wealth and political gain.

Lesnar saw it coming. There was no way in hell that "The Next Big Thing," would survive in HHH's political WWE. No way that Brock would allow himself to be nailed to the wrestling cross like so many others, due to the fear and jealousy of HHH. So Brock took his talents elsewhere. He took his talents, his drive, his brand and made money and hurt people in other professions for years. He made himself so powerful that he could finally circle back and finish the carnage that he started so many years ago.

First he took out the poster boy, John Cena upon his return, then, just as he suspected, HHH had to butt in, so he broke him arm...twice. And finally, his masterpiece...Vince McMahon himself. The genius that helped create he Brock Lesnar legend, and sold him out for his cuckolded Son-in-Law. Brock finally had his revenge. But of course, HHH has to come save the day, rip off the corporate tie, spit his water into the crowd and return to the very ring that Brock so clearly dominates him in, wielding a sledgehammer and yelling like a maniac.

But this will be the last time, for at Wrestlemania, Brock Lesnar puts the last piece of his destructive puzzle into place. Vince is gone, Cena is a broken man and HHh the wrestler is just a memory. All that is left is Hunter, the man, the corporate head. The decision maker and wand waver. And come Wrestlemania, that wand will be snapped in half over Brock Lesnar's considerable sized knee as he ends HHH's career. His ENTIRE career. Wrestling, office, corporate and any other capacity he may have. Because at Wrestlemania, Brock Lesnar will destroy the WWE."


Or something to that effect. I often thought they should position Brock as some sort of King Kong-ish figure. Destroying everything in his path in an effort to escape his supposed oppressors. So much so that at some point, he would even physically attack Heyman to the point where Heyman was afraid of him, eventually, upon his exit, someone would obviously have to rise up and beat him. I will never happen but it would be a hot storyline for a year if played right.

 

Samphin, ok that would make sense then. I just figured it was his wrestling career. Even so still doesn't raise my level of interest to the match. I still can't believe with all the backstage power Triple H has now and all he's done in this business etc his ego still needs him to get that last win back. It would be better for business if Triple H lose then Brock faced Cena at Extreme Rules to get his revenge, beat him, take the WWE title and disappear until Summer Slam or next year's WM, then get the WHC onto The Rock thus have The Rock vs. Brock in a title unification match for WM30.

 

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If hhh loses then he can't have the, say by the fans moment. Lesnar needs to destroy him. Break him like bane did batman. It's going to be a brutal match, that and taker match are the only thing I'm looking forward to. Also if Ziegler cashes his mitb, but I don't see it happening


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Why would the WWE give a guy like Ziggler the WHC title when they're giving fans a match between two guys the fans don't care about nor are over. My mind is still blown they're still going ahead with this Swagger push. I guess it's not that big of a deal because it's probably the 7th or 8th most important match of the card but still it's for the 2nd biggest title in the company, but still I hate that they try to force things down our throats instead of listening to us and giving us what we want to see once and awhile.

 

Man RAW was pretty awful again last night, the build up to all the matches just seem really flat for whatever reason. The main event interview segment was pointless, Triple H kicking random superstars in the nuts is silly, I just don't get it.

Also does anyone think Jericho is beyond thrilled to comeback only to wrestle Fandango at WM and probably lose? I wish they stuck him in the 6 man match instead or have him face Cesaro. Imagine if Cesaro, the US champion, doesn't have a WM match but freaking Fandango does? Ugh.

 

Hey...Wade Barrett.....is Intercontinental Champion....and he hasn't won a match in 4 or 5 years.

Nice.

I don't get it.

Cesario too. (he won by count out! Yeah!) These guys hold belts for what exactly? To have them lose to everybody else they want over?

 

And don't forget about Dolph Ziggler! He's in the tag team title match at WM and loses to Jericho to end his winning streak of 4(!) since he beat Cena at the December PPV. Oh yeah, Dolph is going to be the WWE or WHC champion soon too because he won the MiTB match, so when he wins the title and flops as champion (because he's been treated like a jobber since) it will be all his fault and not the bookers.

Sadly the titles are meaningless because (not only are their so many) the secondary champions are treated like jobbers to the main event stars.

 

CM PUNK is the only reason I watch Raw right now so after his segment, I watch other shows and come back during commercials to see if anything is going on worth keeping it on.

 

Yeah I kept flipping back n forth between that and the heat game....I seemed to stay on the heat game longer and longer everytime I switched back.

 

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Same here. I watched rock/cena but to be honest it's been like them two have beating a dead horse for three years. So many other opportunities for cool matches for the rock. Also what's the payoff. We know Cena going to win. More obvious then taker winning. There needs to be a point to this match other then cena finally beating the rock. I would like a twist where cena loses and turns heel, but if cena loses, we'll see this match at wm30. I'd prefer rock punk at WM. and still have punk the champ. Also whc match seems pointless and of it dosnt end with Ziggler with the title then it's pointless. Haven't care about that title since Bryan held it. Y2j/fandango match is interesting. You can hear fandango not to speak, and take the heat in. Jericho has been a guy helping the younger superstars and getting them over. For to respect him for it. I think he wins at WM because just the fact that fandango first match is at WM against Jericho is big enough and gets him over. He is very lucky. Y2j is today's HBK in getting younger talent over


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Reid Flair, Ric Flair's youngest son, was found dead today in NC. No word on the cause but most are speculating it was an OD.

 

Sad. He had a huge problem with heroin in year's past though so if he never kicked it...it was a matter of time. Nonetheless, as a new parent myself, I get upset when she cries, I don't even want to think what Ric and his mother are going through.

On a completely unrelated note, I wouldn't feel sorry for Jericho wrestling Fandango. Jericho writes his own ticket so chances are he asked for this program...or at least signed off on it.

 

Oh I don't feel bad for Jericho, he's probably making big money wrestling for these few months. Just think it's kind of, I don't know what the right word is maybe funny, that last year he was in a "main event match" vs. Punk and now against Fandango. I still think it's weird that they're giving Fandango this big WM program instead of someone like Cesaro or even Rhodes or Shandow but whatever.

 

it just creates most respect from me for Jericho and I Fandango is one lucky Wrestler Jericho is helping him out big time. Owes Jericho big time

 

Johnny Curtis, the guy who plays Fandango, is actually a pretty talented wrestler so the match itself has potential to be good.

 

This cena promo is the worst of all time

 

Man RAW was awful again. If it wasn't WM why would anyone buy the PPV with the build ups? The Punk/Undertaker build up with a 1995 angle was brutal, especially continuing to use the Paul Bearer stuff and Punk stealing the urn. They clearly had no clue what to do with Cena/Rock 2 hence the stale promos, not good when your top star is getting a boring chant. The best built match has been Ryback/Henry in my opinion. Hopefully a few of the matches are actually good though.