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Goodell gives Miami an ultimatum...no soup for you!!

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Mar 20, 2013.

  1. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    You're right. This is about money. There are dozens of markets willing to subsidize NFL stadiums. Why would the NFL keep a team in a market that won't???
     
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  2. Aquafin

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    People people ,people in these ecconomic times sports stadiums are going to have to take a back seatfor a while in my opinion .

    its amazing how we cant afford to help our military vets and other essential services. Now it wouldn't bother me if the Marlins were contracted and the owner bullwhiped for screwing taxpayers.

    the Marlins are always causing headaches tothe dolphins .

    if it was me I would rather just build a new stadium then spend nearly that much for renovations . of course I like to think big .
     
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  3. Gunner

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    I hear that. As a retiree with a disability it galls me every time I get news letters warning me I might lose benefits due to cut backs all while we're raising the defense budget to epic proportions. As its always been ... private defense contractors will always be protected at the expense of our wounded warriors. :pity:
     
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  4. PhinishLine

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    Not too many industries in Miami to support the city. Tourism and Entertainment being big in Miami, I think it would be a good idea to support that industry. Vegas has a hotel tax. I don't see why Miami shouldn't Nobody goes to Miami to join the booming sales and IT industries.
     
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  5. bakedmatt

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  6. PhinishLine

    PhinishLine Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Same taxpayers that don't go to the games and Ross has to buy the rest of the seats but turn around and act bewildered when he asks for help in upgrading the stadium.
     
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  7. PlanB

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    Goodell and Ross are both behind that statement. I think Goodell means it though. Good Cop Bad Cop both trying to hold up the city of Miami for $200 Million or else. Other cities are playing ball, they are giving giving giving, Miami will lose out.
     
  8. oakelmpine

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    Actually they are in line for an All-Star Game before us, even though we've had baseball here for 12 years longer. Because they built their stadium before us. Cincinnati has had Great American Ballpark for about 6 or 7 years now, that is why they actually got the 2015 game.

    However we probably won't get one at least until the 2020's. Because they have new NL parks to visit, and can do it. We might have been moved up because we've never had a game, but to spite Loria, they'll make us wait. Then the stadium will probably be called old, and we won't get one because they'll tell us it needs upgrades......SIGH.

    Loria really screwed that whole thing up royally.
     
  9. PlanB

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    Thats Nutshell time! [​IMG]
     
  10. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    Yes it is, and in spite of that, they had better crowds in Miami than any other WBC venue, which I found incredulous, but they were there, you could see it on the TV. No smoke and mirrors, they had fannies in the seats.
     
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  11. Drowning

    Drowning ONCE MORE UNTO THE BREACH

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    As I understand it, it's a tax on people staying in hotels in Miami? If so, I completely agree. Pass the darn thing.
     
  12. oakelmpine

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    Well to be honest we were never promised anything. There is always the possibility, and eventually they will have to give us one. I just think it will be after Loria is gone, by death or selling the team. Even his buddy Selig I don't think was happy about what he did. Selig approved the trade, but was not nice about it when it happened.
     
  13. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    It's a waste of taxpayer money to have this stupid vote.....Ross needs to ante up and pay for it already. This is just an exercise in futility.
     
  14. oakelmpine

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    And add to that list ahead of us are Washington and Citi Field in Queens. Those places will host before Miami gets one. Minnesota also will be getting one before us because they are ahead of us on the list and are an AL team (AL hosts on even years, NL on odd ones). So as far as I see it, 2017 & 2019 will go to Washington and the Mets, probably in that order. The only saving grace for Miami is that the Mets and NYC have hosted recently, so there is an outside chance at 2019......but slim.
     
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  15. finsincebirth

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    The issue with bed taxes is that they can negatively affect the community as well. Taxing tourists too much can lead to less tourist traffic.


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  16. Fin D

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    But we aren't talking some random increase. Its a small percentage. If you want to go to Miami because its Miami, then there's no other place to go. It won't hurt tourism. 95% of the people going there won't even know.
     
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  17. Drowning

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    I understand that can be a side effect as well but the sell* point is that once we have the upgrade tourism will blow up regardless, yes? Obviously that is not an absolute. No one knows what the dawn will bring but if it makes sense, will make up for any losses down the line.

    Any way, tha fat cats living it up in pent houses at the beaches won't care. The only thing on their mind is dirty mirtinis and skinny bikinis. And families are here to enjoy- damn the costs. It's Miami baby, people should be taxed for the privilege any how. Lol
     
  18. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    We're talking about $1 for every $100 spent on lodging. How on earth is that going to reduce tourist traffic?
     
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  19. finfansince72

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    After what the Marlins did to the city its going to be a hard sell to the voters. They footed the bill for an owner that robbed the city blind, I'm not saying that Ross would do that but its hard to see the city footing the bill for another huge stadium or expensive improvements.
     
  20. Drowning

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    The freagin marlins, dude. We're still playing on the gosh damn infield. (Any props for the metaphor?)
     
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  21. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Sadly, even though the two issues are polar opposites, you're probably right.
     
  22. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm just going to add to these great points..when your city has the worlds eyes for two weeks, it benefits long term tourism, people from all over the world see the beauty of the city and change people minds all the time when it comes to their vacations, it's a simple thing called exposure, if you don't know how it works then rethink it..

    So are some trying to tell me that a Super Bowl doesn't bring economic wealth to their city relative to NOT having a Super Bowl in your city.??...this is getting ridiculous.
     
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  23. Drowning

    Drowning ONCE MORE UNTO THE BREACH

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    Seriously on the amazing. Had,t been through the entire thread and had to back track to fist bump it out.

    That Super Bowl is a bid deal. The Super Bowl alone. Throw the bcs in there and oh baby. Maybe a future pro bowl... It could happen.

    Does city hosting make money from the nfl experience? I love that place. It's my Disney world. Can never buy any gear though. My wallet protects me and walks back to the car by itself.
     
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  24. djphinfan

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    He did overpay, and he did make a mistake buying an extremely flawed stadium...hmmm, Ross and Dee has stated that 200 mill is the number and that they will cover the costs over that, they also say that it won't be a 50 50 proposition, they expect to incur the majority of the final costs, so if the 1 penny is taxed from the hotels to the tourists, why should we feel sorry for the residents?
     
  25. djphinfan

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    Miami is an event city, thrives on it, the goal is to get mass exposure for a world class venue in a world class city, the venue adds to the reputation, thus bringing more clientele to the market, more opportunities for world class events, mo money, more popularity, more money, more exposure,more money..
     
  26. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    How does the other 5 percent know?.. How can it truly affect them.?
     
  27. oakelmpine

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    It makes sense to you, but I am guessing you are not a taxpayer in Miami-Dade correct ? Do you own property here ? If you did, I am guessing you'd have another opinion.
     
  28. oakelmpine

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    There was no PROMISE, because the Marlins can't promise that since its MLB that decides that. There was only "the possibility" would be better.
     
  29. oakelmpine

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    That actually is incorrect. When the stadium was reconfigured in 1992 for baseball, Huizenga was granted a $ 60 million dollar future tax consideration, of which he only used $ 30 million in the refit. That is where some of the disagreement has always been, does that $ 30 million in extra tax benefit belong to the Marlins, the Dolphins or to Huizenga himself. The state of Florida has never made that clear, other than the fact they did in fact block Loria from claiming it when they were trying to get the stadium built. It almost derailed the whole thing, until the county came through with the new proposal that did go through. There is still that $ 30 million but I don't know if Ross is trying to get that or not.
     
  30. oakelmpine

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    There are two NL parks ahead of the Marlins, and maybe a third I am not sure if PNC Park in Pittsburgh has hosted yet. So the earliest I could see one here is 2019, and it could be all the way until 2022 actually.
     
  31. oakelmpine

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    The state legislature gave someone a $ 60 million dollar tax benefit. Only $ 30 million was used on the refitting, so there is $ 30 million still to be used. The problem is the state hasn't made it clear if that belongs to Wayne Huizenga, the Marlins LLC, or the Sun Life Stadium Corp. And they don't seem to be in any hurry to sort the mess out.
     
  32. oakelmpine

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    Well the contractors need to be paid before 10 years so no, you need the money up front. It has to come from somewhere.....and that will be the general revenue fund that also pays for policemen, firemen, etc.
     
  33. Fin D

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    Oak,

    Try the multiple quote button.

    Its the last button on the right after "reply with quote". Just click it for each post you want to respond too and the last one hit "reply with quote".

    Then you can make one post for all your responses.
     
  34. Stringer Bell

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    Yes, they're paid by the Dolphins. The Dolphins aren't charged sales tax to the tune of $90M. That's not out of the general fund.
     
  35. oakelmpine

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    Unless the tax generates the $ 200 million any shortfall has to be paid from somewhere. If there is another economic downturn, here or in Europe (which a lot of our tourists are now from there) that number may not be reached. The only place to get the money is from the general revenue fund, which is the money collected from property taxes. That is the money used to pay school teachers, policemen, firemen ect.
     
  36. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    Not so, but then you don't care, so why post ?
     
  37. CANDolphan

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    I've said all along this country needs to really enforce more constitutional education in high schools. It's scary to me how many people just don't know basic florida constitutional things like bonds, eminent domain, and separation of powers (not that the last two things have anything to do with the subject at hand...)
     
  38. MikeHoncho

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    Give us a competent team, and we show up. At this point though, it's about more than just baseball with the Marlins.


    With me at least, as a hardcore Marlins fan, I personally refuse to dump any more money into the pocket of Mr. Loria. Concessions pricing alone lets you know how much he cares about the fan and community.
     
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  39. oakelmpine

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    Have you been to those areas ? Tell me if they benefit from it. I would say an emphatic no.
     
  40. Stringer Bell

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    Yes poor people enjoy having a local sports team to root for as much, if not more than affluent people.
     

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