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Elvis Dumerville Interested In Playing For Dolphins

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Onehondo, Mar 16, 2013.

  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Not enough to make an offer.
     
  2. Jaj

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    Dumervil was a 17 sack player the last time he played in a 3-4.
     
  3. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    It just boggles my mind wondering why Ireland has completely avoided Barnes now through two free agency periods. Miami native no less.
     
  4. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Combining the years like that, did you crunch all the numbers yourself? That's a lot of work and much appreciated if you did. I'm too lazy and just checked the two most recent seasons. :)
     
  5. ckparrothead

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    There's obviously something there that scares the NFL. I had a reporter who shall remain nameless but is not very popular here tell me in private that there's a drug history with Barnes. Maybe he's a total dick in the locker room. I know he's one-dimensional. We can all see that. But he's cheap as **** and he pressures the passer on pass rush downs. Why is this not a no-brainer?
     
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  6. ckparrothead

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    Yes, combined all years and all positions (4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB).
     
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  7. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I'm asking the same question. Something scares Ireland anyway. Didn't seem to bother the Chargers or Jets too much.
     
  8. ckparrothead

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    Barnes is even younger than Elvis Dumervil by the way. Dumervil turned 29 in January. Barnes won't turn 29 until October.
     
  9. Jaj

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    It's interesting to note that Baltimore is chasing Dumervil. Obviously they feel comfortable paying him quite a bit to start. I doubt they're getting him just to be a nickel rusher so perhaps they see him as a linebacker.

    Baltimore is one team among others that has been fairly comfortable in playing two fast zone LBs in the middle of the field with two big rushers on the ends (I'm thinking of Miami having Wake and Dumervil in what is essentially a 5-2).
     
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  10. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Well you look at the price tag and the whole NFL is scared of something. He made about $1.5 million a year with the Chargers and he's making $1.3 million a year with the Jets. When your price is depressed that low, that's a league-wide effort because all it takes is a couple of teams to like you and then your price is higher. At that cheap a contract there should be 25+ teams lining up.
     
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  11. ckparrothead

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    Baltimore needs a pure pass rusher. I don't know if they can count on Suggs anymore to do that, they're going to have to change his role a little as he gets older.
     
  12. rtl1334

    rtl1334 New Member

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    The whole NFL shied away from Barnes so it's not just Ireland.
     
  13. ckparrothead

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    Barnes is from Miami, and the Dolphins need a situational pass rusher, so that puts the Dolphins in a smaller boat.
     
  14. Jaj

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    Would you have a problem with Miami going with:

    ROLB- Dumervil
    RILB- Ellerbe
    SILB- Wheeler
    SOLB- Wake

    The formation would simply be a one-gap Wade Phillips scheme, something like what Miami had in 2008.
     
  15. Disgustipate

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    I'm thinking that after talking to Abraham, Umenyiora, etc. the Dolphins have decided the cost difference between what the older veterans are asking and what they might pay for a more blue-chip player in terms of age and consistency might be a better position.

    They did a little bit of it last year, but there's a lot of other things it could be.
     
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  16. ckparrothead

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    Only if that's a nickel defense.
     
  17. Jaj

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    No that would be the base.

    The nickel:

    RE- Dumervil
    DT- Odrick
    NT- Starks
    DE- Wake
     
  18. ckparrothead

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    Then no.
     
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  19. rtl1334

    rtl1334 New Member

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    Half the NFL is either from or resides in the Miami area so that's not much of an argument. Besides, who couldn't use another situational pass rusher? If the locker room issues are true, I think we are underestimating the degree to which this team wants to maintain a harmonious locker room.
     
  20. Jaj

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    The fact they're even considering this makes me think that 2012 pick isn't a pass rusher. The only position they haven't seriously considered in FA is CB.
     
  21. FanMarino

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    Will D J Hayden drop to our 2nd round pick?
     
  22. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Could still maybe sign Grimes.
     
  23. Stitches

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  24. rtl1334

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    But they have two $5M corners on the roster. I'm certain CB will be addressed in the draft but maybe not in the first. With two 2nds and two 3rds, we have the option to go straight BPA (Austin?) or move up for a blue-chipper.
     
  25. brandon27

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    We should sign him... then Draft Rhodes. Then try and move back up into the late first and grab a LT.
     
  26. Da 'Fins

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    I think the fact that Baltimore (that is, Ozzie Newsome) sees value here is telling. They feel they can be in the hunt for a pass rusher like Dumervil and still be tough against the run says something. I think Miami, with the other front 7 would not have great trouble against the run and would be able to sub Dumervil out from time to time and still get big play productivity.

    Another aspect of this is that teams are willing to trade off some ability to consistently stop the run in favor of big play ability (sacks, fumbles, forced bad throws leading to turnovers). Obviously you want both but I think for the most part there is going to be a trade off.

    I'd prefer Abraham above all others (but who knows what he is asking). Maybe they want some position flexibility that the think Dumervil delivers and Abraham would not have in their defense?
     
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  28. Desides

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    One of those two you mention is a slot corner. Dmitri Patterson should not be playing on the boundary. Marshall shouldn't either, IMO, but he's better at it than Patterson.

    We have a vacant, empty hole at one starting CB position, and a "meh" guy at the other, with slot corner being manned well.
     
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  29. Hurricane

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    Agreed. I keep seeing people suggest that CB is an area of need--it's not--it's a vacancy. A total necessity. If we were to go into the season with the corners we have now, I'm not sure we'd have a better tandem than some of the CFL teams. As much as I'd like a guy like Austin or Patterson, or even a nice pass rusher, it's hard to make a case with such a necessity at CB (and either L or RT, for that matter).

    We're far from done. If we sign one of Winston/Smith/Vollmer and then get a guy like Grimes, then ok. BPA. Not at this time, though.
     
  30. MrClean

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    Marshall did fine on the boundary in 2011 and we didn't see enough in 2012 to get a complete look at him. In 2011, he was 2nd among corners who played 25% of more of his team snaps in coverage snaps per target. He was 4th in coverage snaps per reception.
    In 2011, in the slot, he was 4th in coverage snaps per reception, and Patterson was 8th. Both very good.
    In 2012, Patterson was still 10th, counting just his Cleveland time, in coverage snaps per reception in the slot.
    He had a small sample size with Miami, (53 snaps, 11 targets and 3 receptions,) but his coverage snaps per reception was a very good 17.7, and that is boundary and slot combined. He only had 4 slot snaps in coverage with Miami according to PFF.
     
  31. Alex13

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    dumervill will either resign with denver or sign with baltimore via rotoworld
     
  32. CrunchTime

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    The Denver Post reports that free agent Elvis Dumervil is expected to wait at least one more day before deciding between the Broncos and Ravens.

    In other words, he won't be signing with the Dolphins. Dumervil's "preference" is to re-sign with the Broncos, but the Ravens remain interested. He'll likely wait for Osi Umenyiora's deal with the Falcons to be finalized before making his decision.
     
  33. FanMarino

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    What's his contract with the Ravens? Has it been released yet?
     
  34. mroz

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    probably not til tomorrow
     
  35. byroan

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    Ravens are giving former Broncos DE Elvis Dumervil a five-year deal worth up to $35 million, including $8.5 million in year one.

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  36. mroz

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    or not… lol
     

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